Oathkeeper and LA County Sheriff Leroy Baca: The Law Is What I Say It Is

Sanctifying soldiers doesn't lead to war. Sanctified politicians lead to war.

I don't know. I hear people insulting politicians ever hour of every day when I listen. It's extremely rare for anybody to publicly insult the concept of soldiering. It begs the question of whether or not pandering to soldiers is related to non-stop warfare in the US.

I'm not sure how heroic a professional soldier is. It feeds into the idea of interventionism and continuous standing armies. If you volunteer to repel an invading army, you're a hero. If you get paid to be a soldier in an aggressive, interventionist army, that's at best just your job.
 
It's not enough to simply claim to follow the constitution. You need to say how you're going to interpret the Constitution. Oathkeepers do a decent job of explicitly saying what they're not going to do.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/

The problem is what they leave out.

1. That they will uphold the law in the local jurisdiction they serve.

That goes without saying, but not for Baca.

A little more controversial:

2. That they will support efforts to minimize the size of government, including military, police, & firefighting.

This is precisely the problem. People interpret the Constitution differently. There could be as many interpretations of the Constitution as there are people. It's much like the way people interpret the Bible. Some say it says one thing and others say it says something else, hence the reason there are so many denominations.

It would seem, in politics, rather than denominations, there are parties, each holding fast to a different interpretation. Even here on the Liberty Forest forums, we have disagreements as to how the Constitution is to be interpreted.

What is needed is an independent entity, not affiliated with the Federal Government nor the separate states, to determine how the Constitution is to be interpreted. As it is right now, we don't have such a thing.

Perhaps it would be best to get all of the states together and write an interpretation of each part of the Constitution all of them can agree to. The Federal Government would and should not be a part of that decision making process.
 
CA sheriff: 'I'll bust you for pot even if it's legalized'

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/14852...even_if_marijuana_is_legalized_in_california/

Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca said on Friday that the voters don’t matter. His deputies’ enforcement of marijuana laws would not change even if voters approved Proposition 19, which would legalize cannabis in California, on November 2, according to the Sheriff.

“Proposition 19 is not going to pass, even if it passes,” Baca said in a news conference Friday at sheriff’s headquarters in Monterey Park, reports Robert Faturechi in The Los Angeles Times.
Baca, who is sworn to uphold California state law, claimed Prop 19 was superseded by federal law and if passed, would be found unconstitutional.

Funny how the war on drugs itself is unconstitutional and that prohibition of alcohol required a constitutional amendment. Baca is an idiot (BTW, baka means "idiot" in Japanese)
 
Yea, that's why I found the thread worth posting.

http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/06/sheriff-leroy-baca-advocates-that-he.html[url]http://oath-keepers.blogspot.com/2009/06/sheriff-leroy-baca-advocates-that-he.html[/URL]

Leaning that way as well. When I saw he was an OathKeeper I thought maybe he was referencing something of importance. He probably just gave OathKeepers lip service for support.

This is more than disturbing to me... I will see if I can post this article in the So Cal OK forum (a private forum for OK members) and try to get some follow-up and clarification from Baca himself.
 
Los Angeles Sheriff Promises NOT to Enforce PROP 19!!

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/14852...even_if_marijuana_is_legalized_in_california/



LA Sheriff Pledges to Bust People for Pot Even If Marijuana Is Legalized in California

Sheriff Baca, who is sworn to uphold California state law, has essentially said that the voters don't matter.


October 17, 2010 |


Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca said on Friday that the voters don’t matter. His deputies’ enforcement of marijuana laws would not change even if voters approved Proposition 19, which would legalize cannabis in California, on November 2, according to the Sheriff.

Proposition 19 is not going to pass, even if it passes,” Baca said in a news conference Friday at sheriff’s headquarters in Monterey Park, reports Robert Faturechi in The Los Angeles Times.

The department run by Sheriff Baca polices 75 percent of Los Angeles County. His staunch opposition to marijuana -- even if it is legalized -- was echoed Friday by an announcement from Attorney General Eric Holder that federal officials would continue to “vigorously enforce” cannabis laws in California, even if state voters pass the measure.

Baca, who is sworn to uphold California state law, claimed Prop 19 was superseded by federal law and if passed, would be found unconstitutional.

Standing onstage with other prominent opponents of marijuana legalization, including Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley, Sheriff Baca colorfully assailed marijuana use, users and sales.

Asked if he had ever experimented with pot, Baca left no room for doubt. “Hell, no,” he said.

Baca claimed legalizing cannabis would have far-reaching effects, including increasing the costs of drug rehabilitation (although most people in rehab for marijuana have been forced there by court order), causing traffic accidents (although marijuana is not a significant factor in auto wrecks), prompting labor disputes with employees getting high on the job (although Prop 19 gives employers the right “to address consumption that actually impairs job performance“), and providing a safe cover for drug cartels selling hard drugs.

California’s laws for pot smokers are already lenient enough, Baca claimed.

“If you a need for an ounce or less… then use your marijuana, but use it privately,” Baca said. “If you want to do a joint in your house, do it. Leave the rest of us alone.”

Baca claimed personal users smoking at home were already a non-priority for police agencies, including the Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department. His department does target pot dealers, he said.

The sheriff came out against Prop 19 early on, joining with Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) to try to prevent its passage.

Polls have shown California voters are almost evenly split on legalization.

Incredibly, Baca claimed on Friday that local law enforcement agencies -- which, again, are sworn to uphold state laws -- should abide by federal drug laws prohibiting marijuana, even if Prop 19 passes.

“[Prop] 19 has no effect on what we’re going to do,” Baca said.
 
^Baca isn't an oathkeeper is he?

Sorry for reposting, i was out of town this weekend.. def worth a bump tho..
 
The legal battles could get interesting. Leroy Baca needs to be taught a lesson. He will be out of work when his term is up.

The legal battles would be long , interesting. Does this guy have relatives that are lawyers ?
 
I can't say I'm surprised.

MJ is to law enforcement as no school choice is to teachers unions.
 
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