NYT Relies On Anonymous Sources Claiming Chinese "Drained" Snowden's Info

[better-dead-than-fed]

The New York Times printed yesterday:

Two Western intelligence experts, who worked for major government spy agencies, said they believed that the Chinese government had managed to drain the contents of the four laptops that Mr. Snowden said he brought to Hong Kong...,​

Why did the two "experts" demand confidentiality? Times policy states:

[W]e have long observed the principle of identifying our sources by name and title or, when that is not possible, explaining why we consider them authoritative... and why they have demanded confidentiality.​

Did the "experts" disclose classified information to the Times, and if so, did their disclosure violate the Espionage Act? Did the Times violate the Espionage Act by publishing the disclosure?

Why did the Times find the allegation reliable? Did the "experts" personally observe the Chinese government draining the contents of Snowden's laptops? If not, what exactly did the "experts" witness? Times policy is:

[to] tell the reader... whether [an anonymous] source has firsthand knowledge of the facts.​

What evidence is there that the "experts" were not merely speculating? Times policy states:

We do not grant anonymity to people who are engaged in speculation, unless the very act of speculating is newsworthy and can be clearly labeled for what it is.​

http://ablogonpolitics.blogspot.com/2013/06/questions-about-new-york-times-article.html

 

[Mani]

What a perfect reason to Drone is ass....


It's not just that Snowden is a traitor, it's that the US secrets on sitting on laptops and even if Snowden doesn't hand it over, someone could gain access to it, and America will be in terrible danger!


So need to find justification make him and ALL his laptops disappear...For National Security. It was only to protect 'Merika.

 

[Warlord]

New York Times = propaganda mouthpiece for the State. They will print all lies, all the time. See Iraq war for a good example.

 

[Mani]

New York Times = propaganda mouthpiece for the State. They will print all lies, all the time. See Iraq war for a good example.

Exactly....Give people a REASON he needs to be taken out...."Snowden's laptops could be compromised and kill us all! They must be destroyed!!!"

 

[CPUd]

Expert sources revealed:

Peter King
Mike Rogers

 

[tod evans]

Funny how independent news sources have dried up with the knowledge they are monitored...

But not the NYT........Their sources are safe-n-sound......

 

[DGambler]

Does anyone else think the "4 laptops" angle smells like bullshit? There would be multiple ways to carry or store the info without lugging around all that hardware.

USB sticks, carry just the hard drives, upload the file to mega or encrypt and put on p2p.

Also, how would the Chinese drain the laptops if Snowden had them in his possession the entire time?

Boogity boo, the reds are out to get you.

 

[TonySutton]

I am pretty sure wikileaks has access to the data already so there is no putting the jeanie back in the bottle. It would be easy to give wikileaks an encrypted data dump for safe keeping. A trusted 3rd party could have the encryption key to release to wikileaks if anything happens to Snowden.

 

[KEEF]

Maybe they found out about the Chinese taking the files because at the NSA, a bunch of windows popped up on the computers of the China data mining wing saying "This file already exists...would you like to replace this file?"

 

[better-dead-than-fed]

I am pretty sure wikileaks has access to the data already so there is no putting the jeanie back in the bottle.

Greenwald says some of the data is being withheld from the public because: "[Snowden] doesn’t want to enable other states to enhance their surveillance capabilities."

 

[Cshelton21]

Lets deal in fact.

Assuming Snowden is carrying 4 laptops because the information he's carrying actually demands the physical space required of 4 laptops. If each laptop has a 1 Terabyte internal drive and all the information takes up 4 full gigs of space he would be carrying 4096 GB of information, If each laptop had a additional internal drive at 1 Terabyte full he would be packing 8192 GB of information.

The Peak internet speed in Hong Kong is a little under 60MBS. Note, That's the theoretical maximum. Average download speeds would be around 5232 Mb/s, And the average Upload clocks in around 2122 Mb/s.

Assuming that the information was being uploaded at the absolute maximum for a wirelessly connected laptobs carrying 4096 Gb of data or 4194304 Mb.

at 2122 Kb/s being uploaded per second (the absolute and unlikely maximum) it would take 2024018 Seconds to upload all 4 Gb of data or 4048037 Seconds at 2 Terabytes per laptop, that's roughly 3 to 6 weeks of uploading to a remote source.

I don't think Snowden was even in Hong Kong that long.

 

[KEEF]

Lets deal in fact.

Assuming Snowden is carrying 4 laptops because the information he's carrying actually demands the physical space required of 4 laptops. If each laptop has a 1 Terabyte internal drive and all the information takes up 4 full gigs of space he would be carrying 4096 GB of information, If each laptop had a additional internal drive at 1 Terabyte full he would be packing 8192 GB of information.

The Peak internet speed in Hong Kong is a little under 60MBS. Note, That's the theoretical maximum. Average download speeds would be around 5232 Mb/s, And the average Upload clocks in around 2122 Mb/s.

Assuming that the information was being uploaded at the absolute maximum for a wirelessly connected laptobs carrying 4096 Gb of data or 4194304 Mb.

at 2122 Kb/s being uploaded per second (the absolute and unlikely maximum) it would take 2024018 Seconds to upload all 4 Gb of data or 4048037 Seconds at 2 Terabytes per laptop, that's roughly 3 to 6 weeks of uploading to a remote source.

I don't think Snowden was even in Hong Kong that long.

I don't have the tech-savy know how to repudiate this and so it sounds logical to me.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Lets deal in fact.

Assuming Snowden is carrying 4 laptops because the information he's carrying actually demands the physical space required of 4 laptops. If each laptop has a 1 Terabyte internal drive and all the information takes up 4 full gigs of space he would be carrying 4096 GB of information, If each laptop had a additional internal drive at 1 Terabyte full he would be packing 8192 GB of information.

The Peak internet speed in Hong Kong is a little under 60MBS. Note, That's the theoretical maximum. Average download speeds would be around 5232 Mb/s, And the average Upload clocks in around 2122 Mb/s.

Assuming that the information was being uploaded at the absolute maximum for a wirelessly connected laptobs carrying 4096 Gb of data or 4194304 Mb.

at 2122 Kb/s being uploaded per second (the absolute and unlikely maximum) it would take 2024018 Seconds to upload all 4 Gb of data or 4048037 Seconds at 2 Terabytes per laptop, that's roughly 3 to 6 weeks of uploading to a remote source.

I don't think Snowden was even in Hong Kong that long.

You are assuming any of the data was ever in Hong Kong. This guy had T-3's and C's at his fingertips. You think he didn't stash it a bunch of places before he booked?

-t

 

[JoshLowry]

Lets deal in fact.

Assuming Snowden is carrying 4 laptops because the information he's carrying actually demands the physical space required of 4 laptops. If each laptop has a 1 Terabyte internal drive and all the information takes up 4 full gigs of space he would be carrying 4096 GB of information, If each laptop had a additional internal drive at 1 Terabyte full he would be packing 8192 GB of information.

The Peak internet speed in Hong Kong is a little under 60MBS. Note, That's the theoretical maximum. Average download speeds would be around 5232 Mb/s, And the average Upload clocks in around 2122 Mb/s.

Assuming that the information was being uploaded at the absolute maximum for a wirelessly connected laptobs carrying 4096 Gb of data or 4194304 Mb.

at 2122 Kb/s being uploaded per second (the absolute and unlikely maximum) it would take 2024018 Seconds to upload all 4 Gb of data or 4048037 Seconds at 2 Terabytes per laptop, that's roughly 3 to 6 weeks of uploading to a remote source.

I don't think Snowden was even in Hong Kong that long.

You're not really dealing in fact, you're speculating.

Data transfer rates differ vastly depending on the technology you are using.

 

[Thor]

Lets deal in fact.

Assuming Snowden is carrying 4 laptops because the information he's carrying actually demands the physical space required of 4 laptops. If each laptop has a 1 Terabyte internal drive and all the information takes up 4 full gigs of space he would be carrying 4096 GB of information, If each laptop had a additional internal drive at 1 Terabyte full he would be packing 8192 GB of information.

The Peak internet speed in Hong Kong is a little under 60MBS. Note, That's the theoretical maximum. Average download speeds would be around 5232 Mb/s, And the average Upload clocks in around 2122 Mb/s.

Assuming that the information was being uploaded at the absolute maximum for a wirelessly connected laptobs carrying 4096 Gb of data or 4194304 Mb.

at 2122 Kb/s being uploaded per second (the absolute and unlikely maximum) it would take 2024018 Seconds to upload all 4 Gb of data or 4048037 Seconds at 2 Terabytes per laptop, that's roughly 3 to 6 weeks of uploading to a remote source.

I don't think Snowden was even in Hong Kong that long.

You're assuming that they would use the normal infrastructure for "draining," if they even did...

You are assuming any of the data was ever in Hong Kong. This guy had T-3's and C's at his fingertips. You think he didn't stash it a bunch of places before he booked?

-t

Your speaking about at his NSA job? I am sure the NSA has alarms in place for that much data moving out (they suck everything in.) Plus, wasn't there some rumor about a thumb drive in addition to the 4 laptops? For all we know, there is a locker at the airport in Hawaii that has copies of all the data stashed in it.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Does anyone else think the "4 laptops" angle smells like bullshit? There would be multiple ways to carry or store the info without lugging around all that hardware.

USB sticks, carry just the hard drives, upload the file to mega or encrypt and put on p2p.

Also, how would the Chinese drain the laptops if Snowden had them in his possession the entire time?

Boogity boo, the reds are out to get you.

I hear halothane is a pretty popular anesthetic for hotel rooms. You know if you want to steal someones documents n/ data - well, make copies and leave no fingerprints... Ideally you want to have control of the HVAC so you don't effect any other guests, but in a pinch - they are all going to sleep anyway, so WTF... Well, might suck to be that couple on their honeymoon...

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/03/more_hollow_coi_1.html

-t

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

You're not really dealing in fact, you're speculating.

Data transfer rates differ vastly depending on the technology you are using.

To paraphrase Evi Nemeth: "never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of magnetic tapes traveling down the highway at 70 mph".

-t

 

[Contumacious]

New York Times = propaganda mouthpiece for the State. They will print all lies, all the time. See Iraq war for a good example.

Yes, indeed

TWA Flight 800: 16 Years and Still No Questions

Of the 270 eyewitnesses who told the FBI they saw what looked like a missile strike on TWA Flight 800, the Times would interview exactly none. Fearing perhaps the loss of their privileged status and trusting the FBI more than they should have, the Times people followed the FBI lead. The other media, some grudgingly, followed the Times.

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[Warlord]

Now the neocons are parroting the lies on Faux...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vvbG5LjU8A&fe