NY Times: Libertarians Soft on Slavery, Confused About Civil War

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A New York Times article attempts to portray a band of the libertarian spectrum as soft on slavery and confused about the Civil War.​


N.Y. Times: Libertarians Soft on Slavery, Confused About Civil War


The New American
11 July 2013


As part of the establishment media’s ongoing project of gerrymandering the liberty movement in advance of the 2016 presidential campaign, the New York Times has published an article purporting to expose some libertarians’ "embarrassing" interpretation of the Civil War.

“In fact, libertarians have spent years trying to deal with the sliver of their movement that is focused on re-litigating the Civil War. Yes, the Civil War, which officially ended 148 years ago,” declares the Times' Rachel Weiner.

As one slogs through Weiner’s repetitive and meandering article, the not-at-all-subtle subtext jumps off the page and slaps the reader. The between-the-lines battering ram: Libertarians are racists. Well, except for the establishment-approved libertarians.

Proof of the latent “neo-Confederate” racisms, according to Weiner, is the libertarian criticism of Abraham Lincoln. “And there are some ideological similarities that explain the gravitation of the anti-Abraham Lincoln crowd to the pro-liberty movement,” Weiner writes.

What could libertarians possibly have against the founder of modern centralization, a man who viewed the United States less as a union and more of a nation — an opinion, by the way, that would have resulted in immediate excommunication from the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

As libertarian and nullification expert Tom Woods wrote a recent blog post:


The precedents set by Lincoln during the war have been exploited ever since by left-liberals and neoconservatives, who are all too glad to respond, when you object to some enormity of the War on Terror, “Why, even Lincoln did these things!”

In every other country in our hemisphere in which slavery was abolished in the nineteenth century it was done peacefully, without 1.5 million people dead, wounded, or missing.

The Lincoln legacy involves glorifying wars of nationalism and demonizing efforts at secession, wherever they may be and whatever the circumstances. To this day, Americans are taught to sympathize with central governments trying to keep territories from breaking away, and to look with disgust at smaller units seeking self-government.​


Of course, to the water carriers of consolidated government such as the New York Times and Reason magazine (this “libertarian” outlet is sequestered from their racist colleagues. In her article, Weiner informs readers that Reason is “firmly in the anti-neo-Confederate camp,” citing their criticism of Ron Paul for “allying himself with that strain in libertarianism”), anyone who makes the mistake of supporting states’ rights also supports slavery.

“Libertarians are anti-war and in favor of market-based solutions, and some argue that even though slavery was abominable, it would have ended for economic reasons with far less bloodshed if the North had allowed the South to secede,” Weiner says.

Weiner’s inability to wrap her head around complex issues is on display best in the following selection from her article:


“Though I think Lincoln was the worst tyrant in U.S. history and his war was illegal, immoral, unconstitutional, I do not think the [Confederacy] was some quasi-libertarian bastion of freedom or justified,” said Stephan Kinsella. “The real enemy is, as always, the State — whether it be the USA or the [Confederate States of America].”

That thread of thinking makes it hard to know where to draw the line when some self-described libertarians edge over from criticizing the Union to celebrating the Confederacy.​


Could Kinsella have been any clearer in his condemnation of all statist attempts to curtail liberty?

Overall, Weiner and the libertarians she shields from her racist smear believe that the United States is a consolidated nation and that the states are obstructionist at best.

The right to secede, according to this set, does not exist, and the Civil War settled that question once and for all.

The Civil War made one thing clear: The federal government believes (and the Confederacy was forced to concede) that might makes right. The Union army defeated the army of the Confederacy; therefore, so the thinking goes, secession is no longer a constitutional remedy available to states. Might makes right.

Only it doesn’t. Think of it this way. Assume my neighbor and I disagree over the exact location of the boundary line between our properties. One day, while I’m out building a shed that my neighbor believes encroaches on his property, we start arguing and the argument escalates to a full-fledged fist fight and I knock out my neighbor. Does that mean that the location of our mutual property line has been settled? Does the pummeling of my neighbor make my opinion of the location of that line the legal boundary? Of course not. Might, it seems, does not make right, neither in boundary disputes regarding land nor in similar conflicts over state sovereignty.

One more analogy to help Weiner and others understand secession.

Assume that a number of homeowners in a neighborhood get together to improve the security, safety, and prosperity of the neighborhood by forming a homeowners association (HOA). The neighbors draw up a covenant and grant to the HOA certain enumerated powers. The new HOA is authorized to pass rules restricting the parking of cars on the street, the length of a lawn, the color a house in the group can be painted, and how tall a home can be built.

Let’s assume that our imaginary HOA has a covenant granting oversight of just those few areas to an HOA council. Present and future homeowners are made aware of the covenant and they are bound to conform to its mandates.

Imagine if one day, the HOA council passes a resolution mandating that every resident of the neighborhood purchase a Toyota — a green Toyota Camry, to be precise. Inspectors hired by the HOA council are sent out to watch every house, check every garage, and verify vehicle registrations to make sure the edict is obeyed.

Would the homeowners be required to heed this resolution? Additionally, in whom would be the right to decide if adoption of the car mandate was within the power of the HOA? The homeowners, of course!

Do you think the homeowners would recognize the right of the HOA council to decide the legitimacy of its car mandate? When property owners began complaining about the obvious overreach at the next general meeting of the HOA council, do you think they would be assuaged by the council’s reassurance that the dictate was perfectly within its covenant authority?

What would happen if the council then insisted on the purchase and ratified its own ruling? Can you imagine a single homeowner who would accede to that sort of ordinance inanity?

Assume, for argument’s sake, that one or more of them ran down and traded in their cars in order to conform to the car mandate. Would that affect the HOA agreement? Would the HOA have those powers? Would one homeowner’s refusal to obey the mandate, moreover, have any bearing whatsoever on a neighbor’s compliance?

Somehow the simplicity of this elementary lesson in contract law is lost on establishment-friendly libertarians (Tom Woods calls them “sweetie pie libertarians”). Perhaps it is not lost on them, but the heft of the logic is outweighed by the seductive siren call of establishment favor.

Finally, the circular, self-aggrandizing reasoning of this claque of journalists is no better displayed than in the last sentence of the New York Times article.

“All of which is a sign that this tension within libertarianism is not going away any time soon,” writes Weiner.

Liberty is larger than labels, though, and those who are engaged in the fight to restore constitutionally protected freedom and limited government to Washington, D.C. will not — any time soon — fall for the establishment’s balkanization of their ranks and the construction of ghettos within the expanding landscape of the liberty movement.
 
I am a Libertarian , I find the fact that anyone thinks owning another person is perplexing. That is almost a seperate issue from the Civil War and the actions against the natives during that time....
 
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According to the NY Times:We Love the military industry complex no matter whom they are. Libertarians are Traitors who question the government.
 
NYT is dismissed without a hearing.

I don't know why anyone would give any credence to anything NYT opinion has to offer given their proven anti-semitic record towards Iraqi civilians and NYT being extremely jello soft on war crimes plots against semitic races.

Judith yellow cake Miller was not the only crook working at NYT in on hate crimes plots, it went to the top. Excuses that NYT owners/editors were tricked by summer interns working at CIA should and will be dismissed.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...plane-pilots&p=5122693&viewfull=1#post5122693


NYT to this day is confused about even current plant and his pup masters gameplans. They could be trying to distract people from meditated hate crimes against children of other races who are victims of drone attacks today.
Much of this was censored/omitted in NYT coverage just like Obama-Andrew Adler scandal:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Obama-s-photo-during-his-South-Africa-visit&

If anyone from NYT/Bill Keller clan et all are reading this, would love t hear your response.


PS: Are NYT/Obama modern day political slaves of neocons/special interests?
Just as Bush was a political slave of certain interests.
His pastor of 20 years seems to imply so about Obama at least.
 
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According to the NY Times:We Love the military industry complex no matter whom they are. Libertarians are Traitors who question the government.

If you question the virtuousness of the government's wars, you are an evil racist who must be publicly ridiculed endlessly and driven from the 'public debate'
 
Liberals do not know the difference between libertarians and tea partiers and pro-hawk neo-cons. To them when you use the term liberty movement, it encompasses anyone who doesn't like Obama and we are all a group of people controlled by the Koch Brothers.
 
Liberals do not know the difference between libertarians and tea partiers and pro-hawk neo-cons. To them when you use the term liberty movement, it encompasses anyone who doesn't like Obama and we are all a group of people controlled by the Koch Brothers.

They know the difference, but they want to destroy us most of all because they consider us a threat. The neocons at least care about the prestige of their master, the State. And the neocons and Koch Bros-funded 'libertarians' are more than happy to parrot the liberals' propaganda to malign us.
 
Liberals do not know the difference between libertarians and tea partiers and pro-hawk neo-cons. To them when you use the term liberty movement, it encompasses anyone who doesn't like Obama and we are all a group of people controlled by the Koch Brothers.

I am still trying to figure out who likes Obummer and what they think they may benefit by doing so..... commies .
 
I am still trying to figure out who likes Obummer and what they think they may benefit by doing so..... commies .

They are nothing if not loyal to the party. When Hillary runs they will switch it back to her like a switch. Unless the independent wing of the Dems gets Elizabeth Warren to run, then there may be some split.
 
I am still trying to figure out who likes Obummer and what they think they may benefit by doing so..... commies .
Koch? LOL

I really don't understand the sentiment either. Too long drinking the State's Kool-Aid.

Blown up babies, worldwide spying.. it doesn't matter.

Right/left paradigm. "Well George Bush did"... Idgaf what Bush did, we are speaking Obama. I'm a radical. Go figure. Peace, sound money, and an unmilitarized police force is radical. "We're all living in Amerika"
 
They are nothing if not loyal to the party. When Hillary runs they will switch it back to her like a switch. Unless the independent wing of the Dems gets Elizabeth Warren to run, then there may be some split.

I surmise there are no independant dems , only evil commies and hardcore socialists, the more mild socialists are establishment Pubs, even on war mongering at best , dems may actually be worse now than the pubs...
 
I surmise there are no independant dems , only evil commies and hardcore socialists, the more mild socialists are establishment Pubs, even on war mongering at best , dems may actually be worse now than the pubs...
There are some decent democans and republicrats; you just have to look for them pretty hard. One of the few RP supporters I met in person during the campaign was a democan and was willing to change parties to vote for RP. It's important to transcend stupid political party labels because they dumb down the conversation.
 
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There are some decent democans and republicrats; you just have to look for them pretty hard. One of the few RP supporters I met in person during the campaign was a democan and was willing to change parties to vote for RP. It's important to transcend stupid political party labels because they dumb down the conversation.

That is good , but was he that dem congressman from Ga ? LOL
 
If you question the virtuousness of the government's wars, you are an evil racist who must be publicly ridiculed endlessly and driven from the 'public debate'

So true, and not just the wars either. Anything that deviates from the 3X5 inch status quo index card.
 
This just in:

NY Times Soft on Govt Rights Violations, confused about what it means to be Responsible Journalists.

How about getting off their lazy fuck asses and reporting on what the Federal Reserve Bank and the Military Industrial Complex are instead of posting hate inciting news articles about the people that want to fix the root of the problem. Once people understand that they are just as complicit in the crimes against humanity, people will understand why they say such hate inspiring things. The more and more I witness what is going on around me, the more I think that both Athiests and Libertarians will be the Jews in the first 21st Century Hollocaust.
 
The Civil War and Lincoln are loser topics for the "liberty movement". Even though I like most here abhor Lincoln for his abuse of civil liberties, instigation of the war, and refusal to accept the right of the people in secessionist states to self-determination, and all of the consequences suffered since, the fact remains that Lincoln and the Civil War are so wedded in the minds of the general population with the end of the institution of slavery (and in many ways justifiably), that to try to hash out the intricacies with your average public-school "educated" person is absolutely fruitless. It's an advanced topic... it would be like throwing a freshman into a 400-level math class... unless you're dealing with a savant, all you're going to do is confuse and anger him.

On principle, southerners who advocated smaller, more local government and the right of self-determination held the moral ground. Unfortunately many of those very folks held that ground because of the institution of slavery... For example, has anyone seen the movie, Ride with the Devil?

Mr. Evans: You ever been to Lawrence KS young man?

Jack Bull Chiles: [scoffs] No, I reckon not Mr. Evans. I don't believe I'd be too welcome in Lawrence.

Mr. Evans: I didn't think so. Before this war began, my business took me there often. As I saw those northerners build that town, I witnessed the seeds of our destruction being sown.

Jack Bull Chiles: The foundin' of that town was truly the beginnin' of the Yankee invasion.

Mr. Evans: I'm not speakin' of numbers, nor even abolitionist trouble makin'. It was the schoolhouse. Before they built their church, even, they built that schoolhouse. And they let in every tailor's son... and every farmer's daughter in that country.

Jack Bull Chiles: Spellin' won't help you hold a plow any firmer. Or a gun either.

Mr. Evans: No, it won't Mr. Chiles. But my point is merely that they rounded every pup up into that schoolhouse because they fancied that everyone should think and talk the same free-thinkin' way they do with no regard to station, custom, propriety. And that is why they will win. Because they believe everyone should live and think just like them. And we shall lose because we don't care one way or another how they live. We just worry about ourselves.

Jack Bull Chiles: Are you sayin', sir, that we fight for nothin'?

Mr. Evans: Far from it, Mr. Chiles. You fight for everything that we ever had, as did my son. It's just that... we don't have it anymore.

The above bolded section is as succinct a summary of the difference between the statist and individualist mindsets as I've ever seen. Yet the next words in the dialogue, underlined, utterly undermine that difference, specifically because the "station, custom and propriety" referred to includes the institution of slavery.

Had the South freed the slaves before they fired on Fort Sumter, we all would have a much easier time making the anti-Lincoln, anti-Federalist case today. But they didn't... and it is very easy to presume that they wouldn't. So it's a loser issue for us.
 
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