NY soldier from RI who was wounded on Afghan tour admits killing infant

[moderate libertarian]

Pretty sad story how a war hero's life was affected by ptsd. After sacrificing in Afghanistan, he could end up getting 15 years to life in prison:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ing-to-adopt/2012/01/31/gIQATcPlfQ_story.html

 

[Indy Vidual]

Stressed out people still need to be responsible for their actions. Yes, very sad...

 

[kuckfeynes]

Calling someone with PTSD "stressed out" is pretty distasteful.

Not saying something shouldn't be done, but what this guy obviously needs is a psych ward, not a jail cell.

 

[Indy Vidual]

Calling someone with PTSD "stressed out" is pretty distasteful...

The 'S' stands for stress

People w/ any type of excuse still need to be responsible for their actions.

 

[donnay]

Very sad. This is one of the reasons the suicide rate in returning veterans are so high.

 

[moderate libertarian]

There is a TV ad playing thses days that says than half of Iraq/Afghan wars veterans called 9/11 veterans suffer from PTSD.

The 'S' stands for stress

Stress Disorder initself is euphemism and "stressed out" does not begin to describe mental affect from seeing their friends or their own limbs blown apart or witnessing innocent civilians killed. This is a very different emotional state than having a tough day at office even if "stress" is used in both instances.

 

[Indy Vidual]

There is a TV ad playing thses days that says than half of Iraq/Afghan wars veterans called 9/11 veterans suffer from PTSD.




Stress Disorder initself is euphemism and "stressed out" does not begin to describe mental affect from seeing their friends or their own limbs blown apart or witnessing innocent civilians killed. This is a very different emotional state than having a tough day at office even if "stress" is used in both instances.

Fine:
People who see their friends or their own limbs blown apart still need to be responsible for their actions.

 

[moderate libertarian]

Fine:
People who see their friends or their own limbs blown apart still need to be responsible for their actions.

Agreed, everyone is responsible for their actions but every action is seen in the context it takes place. That is why soldiers are rewarded when they killl in war zone and punished when they do so at home.

 

[papitosabe]

there was a show on PBS last night...I think its from 2008. Its about soldiers and their thoughts on killing innocent civilians, kids, women. It was sad, but damn good. I forget the name of the show, but I also saw them in segments on youtube.

Also found some vids regarding US soldiers against "the banksters war"

 

[Indy Vidual]

Agreed, everyone is responsible for their actions but every action is seen in the context it takes place. That is why soldiers are rewarded when they killl in war zone and punished when they do so at home.

there was a show on PBS last night...I think its from 2008. Its about soldiers and their thoughts on killing innocent civilians, kids, women. It was sad, but damn good. I forget the name of the show, but I also saw them in segments on youtube.

Also found some vids regarding US soldiers against "the banksters war"

More than one of my good friends older brothers were "severely damaged" in Vietnam.
I'm caught between "caring too much" and being a lot happier when I ignore almost everything.
Let's hope most of the troops can come home soon...

 

[Mark37snj]

One more reason to bring all our troops home. Can you imagine a kid straight out of High School, joining he military, is now 30 and has been deployed almost his entire adult life. Most of us were bar hopping, chasing girls, playing sports, and chasing more girls. These guys were being bombed and shot at for 10 years

 

[XTreat]

This is very sad, I personally have two friends that have commited suicide and am surround by varying levels of PTSD. You can just tell some people are not quite right even though they are perfectly nice and seem like good guys. ALL of us are divorced. This is the unseen effects of war on a generation and only Ron Paul understands or cares. Probably my number one reason for supporting him.

 

[Indy Vidual]

One more reason to bring all our troops home. Can you imagine a kid straight out of High School, joining he military, is now 30 and has been deployed almost his entire adult life. Most of us were bar hopping, chasing girls, playing sports, and chasing more girls. These guys were being bombed and shot at for 10 years

I expected huge anti-war protests, but they barely happened at all, since there is (currently) no draft.

 

[papitosabe]

One more reason to bring all our troops home. Can you imagine a kid straight out of High School, joining he military, is now 30 and has been deployed almost his entire adult life. Most of us were bar hopping, chasing girls, playing sports, and chasing more girls. These guys were being bombed and shot at for 10 years

I've always thought if it was me, it wouldn't have affected me at all. **but now, I highly doubt that** But you're absolutely right.... being bombed...shot at...but killing innocent people I can't imagine, even though it happens more than we know... a buddy of mine was in the gulf war, and still has nightmares...great guy, but still won't talk about the real things that happened there as I can tell he'd be ashamed to tell... the gov't should be ashamed how they use patriotism to cover up women and children being murdered... now I know why so many in other countries despize the US...

 

[moderate libertarian]

One more reason to bring all our troops home. Can you imagine a kid straight out of High School, joining he military, is now 30 and has been deployed almost his entire adult life. Most of us were bar hopping, chasing girls, playing sports, and chasing more girls. These guys were being bombed and shot at for 10 years

Recently watched a movie "Liberty Kid". It's on Netflix, not terribly gripping plot but a dialog there was interesting. An army recruiter tells a young poor black immigrant aprehesive about risks of war zones that he had better chance of surviving in Afghanistan than his neighborhood in American city. Truly sad state of affairs if this kind of lines are used by recruiters.

 

[Mark37snj]

I expected huge anti-war protests, but they barely happened at all, since there is (currently) no draft.

Yup, and given the level of apathy and selfishness in our society, one of the best ways to combat this is for the troops to simply not re-enlist. But some have no choice because the goverment has some clause that basically drafts them if they attempt to not re-enlist.

 

[Mark37snj]

This

I've always thought if it was me, it wouldn't have affected me at all. **but now, I highly doubt that** But you're absolutely right.... being bombed...shot at...but killing innocent people I can't imagine, even though it happens more than we know... a buddy of mine was in the gulf war, and still has nightmares...great guy, but still won't talk about the real things that happened there as I can tell he'd be ashamed to tell... the gov't should be ashamed how they use patriotism to cover up women and children being murdered... now I know why so many in other countries despize the US...

And this

Recently watched a movie "Liberty Kid". It's on Netflix, not terribly gripping plot but a dialog there was interesting. An army recruiter tells a young poor black immigrant aprehesive about risks of war zones that he had better chance of surviving in Afghanistan than his neighborhood in American city. Truly sad stat
e of affairs if this kind of lines are used by recruiters.

Is why I have no illusion that we are fighting true evil.

 

[moderate libertarian]

This



And this



Is why I have no illusion that we are fighting true evil.

Hard to disagree with you on this. It is sad how lives of so many young people in economically deprived situations are damaged by these commision motivated agents. I salute kids of millionaires, Presidents, Congress members who served on front lines in Iraq.

 

[Mark37snj]

Hard to disagree with you on this. It is sad how lives of so many young people in economically deprived situations are damaged by these commision motivated agents. I salute kids of millionaires, Presidents, Congress members who served on front lines in Iraq.

Your arm must be well rested.

 

[RickBelmont]

Stressed out people still need to be responsible for their actions. Yes, very sad...

Wow, that's a pretty passive-aggressive statement!

You tried to say that you were just mentioning the S in PTSD, but in reality what you were doing is trying to diminish what PTSD is.

Stress is both a biological word and psychological, with very broad usage and colloquial misuse. You were using this term in a colloquial sense to try and associate PTSD with general stress. As if it's no big deal.

This really exposes what kind of person you probably are.

PTSD is a terrible anxiety disorder that is the result of terrible trauma, Veterans get this as a result of exposure to violence. Possibly exacerbated by a return to an unstable, semi-authoritarian matriarchy populated by sub beta males. Leaving a paternal world where males act like males, then trying to get by in a world where males act like females is definitely a multiplier.