NY-Remember the cops that tormented the elderly Marine vet, then shot him?

[GuerrillaXXI]

Do any of you bother thinking that maybe this officer has a family? Do any of you know what it's like to be laying down on your back with bullet holes in you, not knowingwhether or not you'll ever see your family again? I have the unique perspective of having been wounded in war and the unique perspective of being an LEO. Why do you think I try to look at shit from both sides of the isle?

Do any of you pigs ever stop to think that the people you victimize, or allow your "brother officers" to victimize with impunity ("Blue Wall of Silence"), have families of their own? Whether it's locking people up for victimless crimes, "testilying" in court, planting evidence, or turning a blind eye to unnecessary force, most of your "profession" is responsible for harming a lot of good people and causing tremendous grief to their innocent family members. Now we're supposed to have sympathy for you?

Make no mistake: If police are allowed to kill people just because they think those people MIGHT be a threat, then citizens have the right to kill cops if they fear that those cops MIGHT be about to dish out street justice. What the courts or the law says on this matter isn't important. All that matters is that there are still some who are willing to kill and die rather than submit to the depredations of a bunch of scumbag cowards who hide behind numbers and coddling government officials. And the more you pigs act like a sadistic occupying army that has sneering contempt for citizens' rights, the more enemies you make among the population, and the greater the risk to yourselves in the long run.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Why do you think I try to look at shit from both sides of the isle?

You have had one too many utterly ridiculous statements for me to believe that. I admit my biases, they stem from personal experiences, so it is a little bit easier for me to "picture" how things like this happen. I literally could go on and on with just the police abuses I've seen. (Or been the victim of) This dosn't include youtube or the dozens of stories that are so clearly unconstitutional in their very nature, as well as sickening.

From reading your posts it is clear that I would very much fear for my life would you be the one to pull me over.. or stop to harrass me. You write responses indicative of how you think.. which is clearly "unhealthy" (your thoughts) IMHO. One prime example is suggesting that basic first aid not being applied is the actual culprit, not a vicious police dog, but there are plenty of others.

ETA: Welcome back, however. It is good to have one or two perspectives from L.E. It isn't everyday I can ask cops questions without the risks associated with it.

 

[fisharmor]

A police officers job is to save lives, just as an EMT and Firefighters job is to save them as well.

You poor, poor, misinformed fool.

The police officer's job is exactly what happened here.

This is what they do. It's why they exist.
The thread is about how the department is closing ranks around them and protecting these actions.
You really can't argue against this being their actual job, not without burying your head in the sand.

ETA: yeah I didn't even catch that you're a cop before I wrote this.
Do this for me.
Go to your captain and get him to write a letter to the PD that did this and is defending it.
Get your entire department to come out in public - as a department - decrying what happened here.
Then you'll have a case.

Unfortunately I know that they like to shoot dogs and disarm blacks in VA Beach just as well as anywhere else, and I know that it'll be a cold day in hell before you or any of your buddies come out against this nonsense in any meaningful way.

 

[enjerth]

And yes, I have compassion for this fellow Marine, and he'd still be alive to this day had he followed the officers orders.

Was he legally obligated to follow police orders?

 

[angelatc]

David Chong, White Plains public safety commissioner, told reporters: "We are obligated as a police department never to walk away from an emergency and we're not going to."

"And furthermore, when we discover that no emergency actually exists, we will move with all available power and force to create one."

 

[TheTexan]

Look at what you wrote, to serve and PROTECT. Just because the old man says he's okay, does not mean he is. I have been to calls where the H.O has said that they were okay, we left and within thirty minutes we were called back because they just shot and killed themselves. You have to understand what it's like to have that happen. To know that if only you had taken a stricter approach you may have saved someone's life. But because you instead choose to believe them when they said they are alright, you write it off as an accidental calling.

These officers didn't know whether he had intended to cut his throat or what, he had a machete and another knife, I mean come on. Stop looking at this from a strictly victims point of view. Put yourself in both the officers shoes and again in the victims shoes. Then form your own conclusions. Again, dude.. You have no idea what it's like to get a call like that, knowing that you could have saved someone's life.

And what a fine job they did. They protected and served the shit out of that man. Clearly they killed him with kindness.

 

[angelatc]

Look at what you wrote, to serve and PROTECT. Just because the old man says he's okay, does not mean he is. I have been to calls where the H.O has said that they were okay, we left and within thirty minutes we were called back because they just shot and killed themselves. You have to understand what it's like to have that happen. To know that if only you had taken a stricter approach you may have saved someone's life. But because you instead choose to believe them when they said they are alright, you write it off as an accidental calling.

Your position is anti-liberty. Saving people from themselves should be considered outside your realm of responsibility. A guy kills himself, oh well. That's a decision he made.

There is no right to bust into private homes and then kill somebody who didn't ask you to come in. None.

 

[AFPVet]

Your position is anti-liberty. Saving people from themselves should be considered outside your realm of responsibility. A guy kills himself, oh well. That's a decision he made.

There is no right to bust into private homes and then kill somebody who didn't ask you to come in. None.

Agreed

 

[jmdrake]

Racism has no place in L.E. The fact that he wasn't fired because of this alone shows the kind of protection they are giving him. Add to the fact that he gunned down a 86 year old marine veteran; he should be put on trial and executed.

According to the SPLC, police officers cannot be racist. If you point out racism inside law enforcement then you must be a racist. For example, the SPLC put Jeff Randall on their "false patriots" page for exposing racism inside the FBI and BATF.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...ll-issues/2001/summer/false-patriots?page=0,8
Amazing Adventures
Jeff Randall, 36

Like old soldiers, most of those who left the militia movement simply faded quietly away. But not Jeff Randall, a self-employed machinist and co-founder of Alabama's Gadsden Minutemen.

In May 1995, a year after the group was created, Randall and two other Minutemen infiltrated a gathering of agents of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) — the bête noire of the militia movement — near the Ocoee River in Tennessee.

They left the annual "Good Ol' Boys Roundup" with a videotape showing what they later described as "an orgy of racism," including shots of a "N*gger Check Point: Any ******s in That Car?" sign. After ex-cop Randall released the video to the media, several ATF and other law enforcement officials were disciplined.

Four months later, the Minutemen's other co-founder, Mike Kemp, was arrested after 14 marijuana plants were found in his home. Randall quit after the bad publicity, rejoined a week later, and quit for good a year after that.

"I got tired of people ... wanting me to assemble armies for them," he told reporters. "The whole militia movement is either conspiracy kooks or criminals."

Randall even apologized for releasing the Roundup tape, which he said hurt many good officers. Randall now runs Randall's Adventure and Training, which offers jungle tours in Latin America — and which was featured last year on the Travel Channel's "Amazing Adventures."

 

[tfurrh]

Re: Sublymitroll

 

[denison]

I wonder if the poor fellow even thought to just close his door.

you are scum.

 

[denison]

Your position is anti-liberty. Saving people from themselves should be considered outside your realm of responsibility. A guy kills himself, oh well. That's a decision he made.

There is no right to bust into private homes and then kill somebody who didn't ask you to come in. None.

everything you said.

how some of these people found themselves on a ron paul forum i will never know.

 

[Danke]

And what a fine job they did. They protected and served the shit out of that man. Clearly they killed him with kindness.

They very well may have saved him from committing suicide.

 

[Pericles]

They very well may have saved him from committing suicide.

and they deserve our gratitude for that.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Four years later, and new evidence emerges that he was, very likely, never armed with a knife.

Mentally ill Westchester man killed by cops may not have been wielding knife, new evidence suggests

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/westchester-man-killed-cops-not-knife-lawyers-article-1.2850274


BY Graham Rayman
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Saturday, October 29, 2016, 3:59 PM

Newly discovered DNA results suggest a 68-year-old mentally-ill White Plains man shot to death by cops in 2011 probably wasn’t holding a knife when police opened fire, lawyers for his family said.

Kenneth Chamberlain Sr. was killed during a 90-minute confrontation with White Plains cops in his apartment on Nov. 19, 2011. Officer Anthony Carelli fired the fatal shot.

The case bears striking parallels to the death of 66-year-old Deborah Danner, a diagnosed schizophrenic shot by police in her Bronx apartment on Oct. 18.

The cops claim Chamberlain was having a psychotic episode when he lunged at them with a knife after they shot him with beanbag rounds to subdue him. But Kenneth Chamberlain Jr.’s lawyers says they believe he was terrified of the police and was lying on the floor when he was shot.

Chamberlain’s family has filed a $21 million wrongful death suit against the city of White Plains in federal court. The trial begins next month.

Tests on the knife show that Chamberlain Sr.’s blood was on the blade. But it’s extremely unlikely the DNA found on the handle belonged to him, the lawyers said. The lawyers said they didn’t learn the tests existed until they were revealed in a meeting about 10 days ago with the county medical examiner.

 

[bunklocoempire]

 

[SeanTX]

No justice in civil court, or state court - and now the same in federal court. Almost no point in updating these stories I guess, with this usual outcome, but might as well, to show there's (almost) never any justice in our system.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2018/01...ack-man-accidentally-triggered-medical-alert/

No Criminal Charges Against Officers Who Killed Elderly Black Man After He Accidentally Triggered Medical Alert
By
Associated Press -
January 5, 2018

NEW YORK (AP) — Federal prosecutors have decided not to bring criminal charges against a white police officer who fatally shot a mentally ill black man who had accidentally set off his emergency medical alert device.

Acting U.S. Attorney Joon Kim said in a statement Thursday that he’d found insufficient evidence for charges against any of the officers involved in the 2011 shooting of Kenneth Chamberlain in White Plains, just north of New York City.

Chamberlain, 68, was home alone when he inadvertently triggered a medical alert on a console in his apartment. He told officers who responded to the call that he was fine and refused to open his door. He also tried to get the dispatcher at the medical alert company, Life Aid, to call off the police.

“I have the White Plains Police Department banging on my door, and I did not call them and I am not sick,” he said.


snip

The U.S. attorney in Manhattan opened an investigation after a state grand jury declined to indict the officers. Kim said the evidence indicated the officers believed that Chamberlain was threatening them with the knife.

A civil lawsuit filed by Chamberlain’s family was rejected by a jury in 2016.

 

[tod evans]

Justice will not be found in their courts.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No justice in civil court, or state court - and now the same in federal court. Almost no point in updating these stories I guess, with this usual outcome, but might as well, to show there's (almost) never any justice in our system.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2018/01...ack-man-accidentally-triggered-medical-alert/

No, very little point in it, which is why I kind of gave up on it.

The only thing it can do is help to continually re-enforce the maxim for those few who are willing to pay attention:

Never Call Cops.

Ever.

For Anything.

Maybe you can save one life.