NY Post: CRACKPOT REVOLUTION

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CRACKPOT REVOLUTION
By RYAN SAGER

December 1, 2007 -- FOLKS in Washington seem to think that the unexpected success of Ron Paul in the Republican primary suggests the country is in some kind of "libertarian moment" that will reshape American politics. Sorry: While I'd be delighted if the GOP were gripped by libertarianism - that is, a resurgent commitment to economic and social freedom - the truth is actually quite the opposite.
Both The Washington Times and The Washington Post ran pieces over the weekend reading big things into Paul's showing in the polls. He's at around 5 percent nationally and in Iowa - far above the 1 percent blip you'd expect from a fringe candidate. And he's done phenomenally in fund-raising, bringing in $9 million-plus so far this quarter (which may put him ahead of John McCain in the cash race).

But what does the Ron Paul Revolution, as it's dubbed itself, really represent? Paul, a 10-term congressman from Texas and the 1988 Libertarian Party candidate for president, has a well-deserved reputation as a principled constitutionalist. But his success now has more to do with anti-war populism than radical libertarianism.

Talk to Paul supporters (as I did at the Iowa Straw Poll this summer, where they were out in force) and the first reason most will list for supporting him is his foreign policy - namely, virtually complete non-interventionism.

As Paul put it, kicking off his speech at the straw poll: "Our campaign is all about freedom, prosperity and peace!" It was his punching of that last word that made his supporters go wild.

Since Paul is the only anti-war candidate on the GOP side, his picking up a decent chunk of support is no real surprise. Anti-war Republicans unwilling to switch parties really have no other choice.

He's got some other populist views, as well - and not conventionally libertarian ones. He's in Pat Buchanan territory when it comes to immigration - supporting the building of a wall along the Mexican border.

And while he claims to be for free trade in principle, Paul has earned the praise of Lou Dobbs for railing against America's involvement in NAFTA, CAFTA, the WTO and every other trade accord under the sun. In Wednesday night's debate, he could even be found endorsing conspiracy theories about a North American Union and one-world government.

In other words, the Ron Paul boomlet resembles that of the real surprise in the GOP race so far - the success of former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who polls twice as high as Paul nationally (9 percent versus 4.5 percent). He's also pulled even with Mitt Romney in Iowa.

Huckabee is the opposite of a libertarian. As governor, he hiked taxes repeatedly and oversaw an explosion in state spending. He's explicitly running as a "different kind of Republican," positioning himself as the heir to President Bush's compassionate conservatism (a.k.a. big-government conservatism). His populist economic message includes expanding farm and alternative-energy subsidies and curbing free trade (to insulate us from the global economy).

And this former Baptist pastor has also put out an explicitly sectarian message: Vote for me because I'm the most Christian. In "Believe," an Iowa ad aimed at Romney (a Mormon), Huckabee declares, "Faith doesn't just influence me, it really defines me." Then the words "Christian Leader" float by an image of Huckabee walking down a dirt road.

Big-government, big-religion, globophobic, populist conservatism - this is the message that's got real traction in the first Republican primary. Not Ron Paul's gold-standard nostalgia or support for medical marijuana.

If there's any redeeming irony here, it's this: This populist surge could end up nudging the GOP in a more libertarian direction after all. If Huckabee knocks out Romney in Iowa, the Republican nomination seems assured for Rudy Giuliani.

Rudy is nobody's idea of a libertarian (at least on issues such as government surveillance and executive power), but he's fiscally conservative and socially liberal - the best a libertarian can hope for from today's GOP.

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RP did vote for the wall, but has stated that was the least important part in that bill.

Ryan Sager is the worst kind of beltway "libertarian" who deludes themselves into believing that trade agreements like NAFTA have anything to do with free trade as envisioned by Hayek, Friedman and others. He appears to be so invested in those "steps in the right direction" that he takes Paul's blunt characterization of them as another form of big government as some kind of blasphemy.
 
This reporter does not like Dr. Paul, or at least his views. That he needs to keep addressing him--with increased respect and substance--is a great barometer of our continuing support and success!
 
This reporter is spreading ignorance and disinformation. Ron Paul does not support conspiracy theories. All the same it's exposure.
 
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I thinks it's time we start to take a closer look at the people who keep telling us how irrelevant we are in our own country. Yes, Ryan, being against illegal wars is truly a fringe position. Peace is wacky.
 
Heck, something like 1/3 of America did not support the original revolution to break with England. There will always be detractors that "don't get it" and these articles will be re-appreaing.
 
No one should worry about what that rag NY Post publishes.... They are barely above the Enquirer and Star etc
 
I can't believe he got paid to write that uninformed piece of shit. This guy wouldn't know libertarianism if it bit him in the ass. Julieannie the best choice for a libertarian republican, LOL. Yeah a fascist is the best choice for a libertarian republican.
Dr Paul's anti-war stance got him attention, his pro-liberty stance won him support. This guy is the perfect example of the dumbing down of America's educational system. Go ahead and vote for your fascist.
If ye love wealth more than liberty, and the tranquility of servitude more than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were ever our countrymen. -Sam Adams-
 
If ye love wealth more than liberty, and the tranquility of servitude more than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were ever our countrymen. -Sam Adams-

I love it. I had a mental image of the Revolutionary period town crier in the tri-corner hat saying that to the nerd pictured earlier, while shaking the NY Post at him, and I spouted milk out of my nose.
 
No it's not...

The wall is a cash cow for the steel industry.

PRO's -

They'll say it create jobs...
Most of the wall/fence will be in TEXAS
It will help stop Illegal immigration
It will provide more security against outsiders
No more $20 BILLION wasted in WELFARE claims from immigrants
NO more BILLION$ wasted in POLICING expenses; ICE, INS, DHS
Reduces Drugs/Crime/etc




CON's

WALL & FENCES... STEEL and Materials will come from CHINA/MEXICO
JOBS - OUTSOURCED to ILLEGAL ALIENS
US STEEL/Construction INDUSTRIES will complain to CONGRESS, followed by BIG subsidies and then those industries will sub contract out to foreign business and pocket 90%
The COST will whine up being QUADRUPLE the initial proposal and more funds will have to be raised.
Being TEXAS gets the largest portion of the wall/fence, RP will look like he received special interest.




ALL comes down to the OLD 2 horse race between the SOVIETS & AMERICANS
 
I'm always amazed that anyone would find Giuliani to be the libertarian choice. Last I checked, civil liberties are a big deal.

Civil liberties lines were drawn in the torture discussion in the May South Carolina debate. I've been trying to track down a great blog entry pointing out Paul's equivalence of "enhanced interrogation" with Newspeak. The blogger pointed out that the reference went over the heads of everyone there. And that anyhow, the rest of the candidates would consider 1984 more of an operating manual than a cautionary tale. Anyone know who wrote that?

Ron Paul is the only man running who cares AT ALL about your right to your life, liberty and property.
 
Duncan Hunter spoke about how successful the fence is in San Diego. I wonder how much feedback is available to the American public?

We could hire low-level security inmates to build the fence instead of illegal immigrants. It could be stipulated that only American companies can bid on the contract. Since this is a national security issue, that only makes sense. Texas and especially landowners along the border have born the brunt of illegal immigration's bad effects. Their hospitals are closing, their homes are burglarized, their property is trespassed on and littered with refuse. They are certainly entitled to a fence, since the government has done nothing else.
 
Rudy is nobody's idea of a libertarian (at least on issues such as government surveillance and executive power), but he's fiscally conservative and socially liberal - the best a libertarian can hope for from today's GOP.

The "best a libertarian can hope for" is a gun-grabber, warmonger, and police stater who will in all likelihood continue the concentration of government power in Washington, D.C. and who will do nothing to transition away the welfare state?
 
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