Now until Iowa, what needs to happen for Rand to win the nod?

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CLIFF NOTES : commitment to win by being productive.

Revolutions were never easy and they were never supposed to be easy.

The first Americans stood up to the British empire were low in numbers and young with age. Most of those that took part in the revolution were followers and just a few were the leaders.



If the media won't help us, then we'll just have to help ourselves.

The entire summer of 2015, the MSM (spearheaded by Politico) tried to take Rand down, it seemed as though every week another "news entity" tried to predict Rand dropping out. They were all wrong, and in fact we found out today that he made the fourth debate while Christie and Huckabee did not. What the media did manage to do was keep Rand's poll numbers low (nobody supports a loser) and dry up his fundraising (nobody supports a loser). The few revolutionaries that can see the long game have stayed and worked, and called, and donated to see Rand through.

In fact today's Salon headline reads : "GOP Libertarians are toast : Rand Paul's disastrous campaign is the end of the line"

Are you going to let the media bend you over and end your revolution?



Whats on the horizon

There is a large ground game being worked right now, 8 years of trial and error and building organizations and groups all over the country. C4L, YAL, Youth for Paul and now Students for RAND. We need to get over the Iowa hill so keep pushing.

There are also big donors who are looking for the signal that Rand has the potential to win, we need to show them a huge sign that he is one of the main contenders, by winning Iowa.



Where is your place in this fight?

Revolutions don't take place if you join when the times are good and run when the times are bad.

In the spirit of today's money bomb, I'm going to watch V for Vendetta tonight and going to spend tomorrow and the weekend phone banking for Rand because helping liberty from the comfort of my own home is the least I can do when there are brave revolutionaries out in the field day and night in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada.

V'S MESSAGE TO THE LIBERTY MOVEMENT


TO PHONE BANK FOR RAND
You'll need to email the staff to get phone banking access, its probably too early to publicize it and they may not want other people tampering with their operation
Send an email to : [email protected]
Let them know you want to help phone bank.


GET PAID WHILE HELPING RAND
You can apply for a job paying $4,000/month with the CAV super pac here:
https://concernedamericanvoters.wufoo.com/forms/apply-to-work-for-rand-paul-in-nevada/

OPERATION IOWA CAUCUS TAKEOVER:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?484794-PROJECT-Caucus-Takeover‏
 
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Santorum got 29,000 votes and won last time. Ron got around 26,000 votes for third place. I think for Rand to win he needs to win at least what Ron got since the field is so divided. Rand simply needs to stop appealing to the establishment and just do what Ron did. If he gets what his dad had, then he'll win Iowa. And Rand needs Iowa to win the nomination.

Honestly, I think Ron needs to go to Iowa and stump for him. I know he's old and tired now, but that's the only way he'll win.
 
More video of Rand "appealing to the establishment":
 
And I'm happy for videos like that, but don't pretend that Rand didn't spent a lot of time snuggling up to the establishment, and I think that turned a lot of Libertarians off.
 
Trump and Carson need to have their inevitable scandals and/or bimbo explosions early plus Bush can't rise back from the ashes in time. Even if all that happens, there are still Rubio and Cruz to deal with. Rand winning IA probably isn't going to happen, too many idiots telling the mouth breathers what they want to hear this time around. I think the best possible outcome would be for him to place top 3 in a few states, then drop out and be well positioned for 20.
 
I think the most important thing we can do is get our 2008 and 2012 base back in the ball game, set aside their ideology and help Rand gain traction. Rand is the liberty movement's new imperfect messenger and at this point in time... the most efficient way toward a more free society or a pure libertarian one.

They will just have to get over what they disagree with Rand on and move this thing forward. To do anything less is a disservice to everything we've worked so hard for these past 8 years.
 
More video of Rand "appealing to the establishment":


Here's the problem. You're posting a video of Rand disagreeing with McConnell in a gentile statesmanlike manner. Ted Cruz said to McConnell "Liar liar pants on fire" and Rand chided Cruz. We're in an era of schoolyard bully politics (Donald Trump prime example) and the Paul's are trying to act like it's a debate club. Imagine Ron Paul treating Rudy Giuliani the way Donald Trump treated Jeb Bush. "All I'm saying Rudy is that the towers fell in your town." But no, Ron wanted to wax eloquently about "blowback" and "read the report about why they attacked us." 99% of America hasn't read the damn report Ron! If your retort requires someone to actually read in order to get it, your retort doesn't work on the playground called U.S. politics.
 
And I'm happy for videos like that, but don't pretend that Rand didn't spent a lot of time snuggling up to the establishment, and I think that turned a lot of Libertarians off.

Those best able to overthrow a regime, are those closest to the top.

You dont change the largest government in the world, by playing snarky games as an outsider. You do it by building relationships with those at the top.
 
I think the most important thing we can do is get our 2008 and 2012 base back in the ball game, set aside their ideology and help Rand gain traction. Rand is the liberty movement's new imperfect messenger and at this point in time... the most efficient way toward a more free society or a pure libertarian one.

They will just have to get over what they disagree with Rand on and move this thing forward. To do anything less is a disservice to everything we've worked so hard for these past 8 years.

See I don't think the floor went away. I think where Ron ended in 2012 is truly where Rand is right now. However, that is not going to show up in polling right now. Everyone just needs to keep battling.
 
Those best able to overthrow a regime, are those closest to the top.

You dont change the largest government in the world, by playing snarky games as an outsider. You do it by building relationships with those at the top.

That's a great philosophical point, but in reality if Rand was getting the Support Ron got in 2012 then he'd win Iowa.
 
I think that if Trump and Carson are the top two performers in Iowa and New Hampshire and Rand is next after them, beating Rubio and Cruz and everyone else, so that he is seen as the most serious of all the other contenders to be able to beat those two, it will put him in a good position. It's especially important for him to beat Cruz and for Cruz to exit the race early.
 
For one, Rand needs to be careful not to attack Carson, as he stands to benefit when Carson loses.
 
I don't see a path honestly. Even if Trump and Carson both fall off the side of a cliff, Ted Cruz has masterfully positioned himself to attract their voters. Carson voters aren't going to magically come to Rand, Carson is not going to endorse Rand, Carson needs to be taken down like every other flavor of the week. The race or world events would have to change in such a way that we could never predict, I don't think Rand can turn it around on his own now. He could channel his father and have a couple epic debate performances, smacking down some neocons and the establishment should all he be doing. Get them to react to him and then he can respond. It might be a long race and raking up delegates might have value at a brokered convention.
 
I don't see a path honestly. Even if Trump and Carson both fall off the side of a cliff, Ted Cruz has masterfully positioned himself to attract their voters. Carson voters aren't going to magically come to Rand, Carson is not going to endorse Rand, Carson needs to be taken down like every other flavor of the week. The race or world events would have to change in such a way that we could never predict, I don't think Rand can turn it around on his own now. He could channel his father and have a couple epic debate performances, smacking down some neocons and the establishment should all he be doing. Get them to react to him and then he can respond. It might be a long race and raking up delegates might have value at a brokered convention.

I disagree. For some reason I don't see most of Carson's supporters going to Cruz. I think Rand has a shot at getting a lot of those people. And I'm having a hard time imagining Carson endorsing anyone but Rand, as long as Rand doesn't piss him off.
 
I disagree. For some reason I don't see most of Carson's supporters going to Cruz. I think Rand has a shot at getting a lot of those people. And I'm having a hard time imagining Carson endorsing anyone but Rand, as long as Rand doesn't piss him off.

I wouldn't hold my breath. If Carson wasn't just another pawn in this game, he wouldn't have been pumped up by the media so much. He may have said good things about Rand in the past, but that was probably just to associate himself as being an outsider. If Carson does endorse anyone, it will most likely be Cruz or Rubio (whoever TPTB sees fit at the time).
 
I disagree. For some reason I don't see most of Carson's supporters going to Cruz. I think Rand has a shot at getting a lot of those people. And I'm having a hard time imagining Carson endorsing anyone but Rand, as long as Rand doesn't piss him off.

I wouldn't hold my breath. If Carson wasn't just another pawn in this game, he wouldn't have been pumped up by the media so much. He may have said good things about Rand in the past, but that was probably just to associate himself as being an outsider. If Carson does endorse anyone, it will most likely be Cruz or Rubio (whoever TPTB sees fit at the time).

He kinda already endorsed Rand over Cruz.



Of course with people here treating Carson as public enemy #1 that may not happen going forward.
 
He kinda already endorsed Rand over Cruz. Of course with people here treating Carson as public enemy #1 that may not happen going forward.

Oh I'm not denying that he probably aligns with Rand the most and in his heart he endorses him. I'm denying that if he were to drop later on that he would come out saying it now that he's been given his orders. As I stated before, if he were a genuine dude, the media wouldn't be fair to him. This means he's in on the whole charade.
 
For those trying to make excuses not to pull their own weight :

Revolutions don't take place if you join when the times are good and run when the times are bad.


If you are tired of the media trying to make you feel depressed, all the tools you need are in this thread to take this race into your own hands.

If you don't see a path, clear one out.
 
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