Now middle schools are drug testing kids.

[Origanalist]

You are correct.

I'd like to mention that I do not believe that a urine sample should be required to play sports or participate in clubs. I am merely pointing out that this is commonplace in public schools (not just in high school) today and started in the US many years ago.

Point taken.

 

[Danke]

Good, now the jocks will move on to safer activities...like drinking!

 

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[Origanalist]

Good, now the jocks will move on to safer activities...like drinking!

Same as it ever was

 

[donnay]

Not true around here. There is an absolute epidemic of IV heroin use as far down as the middle school. They would NEVER require testing in our district, though because of their "image." Bunch of professionals live in our small community, and it's always had that "holier than though" air to it. They'd rather stick their noses in the ground and pretend their 12 year olds aren't shooting up in school and their daughters aren't giving BJs for drugs in the public school bathrooms.

I'm against the testing, but I understand where it comes from. The problem being that when the kids are caught, they aren't sent to treatment, they're removed from the school and sent to either the military-like "alternate" program or to a detention center.

Heroin you say? Who do you suppose is bringing that into our country?

"It's common knowledge that Afghanistan yields a yearly supply of opium (with a street value of $500,000,000,000). Don't believe the lying propaganda about the U.S. military burning poppy fields, our boys are over there protecting those crops!"

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If you get a chance read a book by Gary Webb; "Dark Alliance." Then if you get the chance read the book by Terry Reed and John Cummings; "Compromised." Those two books were eye openers for me.

Then we have the issues of Hillbilly heroin (OxyContin) that had been over-prescribed throughout the 90's.

What needs to happen is parents need to take a leadership role and be the ones to educate their children--not the schools! I blame the parents in many of these cases of kids doing these awful drugs because they are ignorant and they think programs like D.A.R.E. will teach their kids not to do drugs when it is having just the opposite effect, IMHO.

 

[tod evans]

Let a teenager Jones just once.........They'll either quit dope altogether or go off the deep end.

Either way it isn't the schools or states problem, it's between the kids and their parents.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

I blame the parents in many of these cases of kids doing these awful drugs because they are ignorant and they think programs like D.A.R.E. will teach their kids not to do drugs when it is having just the opposite effect, IMHO.

Everyone I've ever met that's gone through D.A.R.E. said they came out of it wanting to try drugs.

-t

 

[donnay]

Back in the 80's when I was in high school, they had cops come around with drug sniffing dogs, sporadically, to check out if the kids were hiding drugs in their lockers. Our homeroom classes were always by our locker, and this particular morning, the cops came patrolling down our halls.

The cops were patrolling and then you can hear them stop because the dog had started barking right outside our room. Our room became extremely quiet, you could hear a pin drop. About 5 minutes later (which seemed like an hour) the principle came over the PA and asked for me, by name, to come down to the office, to my teacher. Of course every eye in the class became affixed on me along with the the "Oooo and You're busted" remarks coming out of some of my classmates mouths.

Panicked, I proceeded down to the office, and walked into the the waiting area and announced to the secretary that the principle wanted to meet with me.

The principle came out and asked me to come into the office. I went into his office where two policemen where standing off to the side. The principle asked me to take a seat and then asked me what I had in my locker? I said, "books and my lunch." He then asked me again, as if he didn't hear what I just told him what I had in my locker. I again said, "books and my lunch." He then said, "what was in the brown bag?" I replied, "MY LUNCH." It was apparent, even for a young naive kid, such as myself, to see where this was heading. He asked me, one more time, about the brown bag, and I told them, "I had a tuna fish sandwich on rye bread, with some chips and a brownie." After an hour of grilling me, I decided to stop talking and told him to call my mother, since she was the one who made my lunch. He did, and my mother confirmed what I had in my brown bag.

The thing of it is, the dog barked at my locker, they opened it and the dog jumped up, grabbed my bag and took off with my lunch and ate part of it before the cop stopped him. Even with my mother confirming what she had packed in that brown bag, he decided that he would grill me some more and let the cops lecture me about drugs. I was furious so where my parents! If I knew then, what I know now, I would have just remained silent and not answered any of their questions and then sued them for harassment. I wasn't even reimbursed for my lunch either.

The drug war is a huge scam. It's all about control and it is all about conditioning the kids to obey authority!

 

[Anti Federalist]

No. It really has been like that here for a long time. I'm not kidding and you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. Drug testing in schools is not anything new. This is an example from 1995 but they've been doing it long before that.

History in the US did not begin 17 years ago.

Hell, I remember passing a bong with my bus driver, underway, in my young teens. (He was a real life Otto Mann from the Simpsons).

I'm probably twice your age, and these are just few things that have not "always been".

High schools used to have a smoking area.

So did planes.

Speaking of planes, I'm old enough to remember when you could bring unloaded firearms onboard, in your carry on bags.

Kids used to ride bicycles without those stupid looking helmets.

Cars came without seat belts and the idea of stopping people at a roadblock to check if you were wearing one would be considered outrageous.

Not to mention the fact that you could walk down the street without being under total government surveillance.

I could go on and on like this, but it makes me too sad, to consider how many "little freedoms" have been lost over the years.

 

[Origanalist]

Back in the 80's when I was in high school, they had cops come around with drug sniffing dogs, sporadically, to check out if the kids were hiding drugs in their lockers. Our homeroom classes were always by our locker, and this particular morning, the cops came patrolling down our halls.

The cops were patrolling and then you can hear them stop because the dog had started barking right outside our room. Our room became extremely quiet, you could hear a pin drop. About 5 minutes later (which seemed like an hour) the principle came over the PA and asked for me, by name, to come down to the office, to my teacher. Of course every eye in the class became affixed on me along with the the "Oooo and You're busted" remarks coming out of some of my classmates mouths.

Panicked, I proceeded down to the office, and walked into the the waiting area and announced to the secretary that the principle wanted to meet with me.

The principle came out and asked me to come into the office. I went into his office where two policemen where standing off to the side. The principle asked me to take a seat and then asked me what I had in my locker? I said, "books and my lunch." He then asked me again, as if he didn't hear what I just told him what I had in my locker. I again said, "books and my lunch." He then said, "what was in the brown bag?" I replied, "MY LUNCH." It was apparent, even for a young naive kid, such as myself, to see where this was heading. He asked me, one more time, about the brown bag, and I told them, "I had a tuna fish sandwich on rye bread, with some chips and a brownie." After an hour of grilling me, I decided to stop talking and told him to call my mother, since she was the one who made my lunch. He did, and my mother confirmed what I had in my brown bag.

The thing of it is, the dog barked at my locker, they opened it and the dog jumped up, grabbed my bag and took off with my lunch and ate part of it before the cop stopped to him. Even with my mother confirming what she had packed in that brown bag, he decided that he would grill me some more and let the cops lecture me about drugs. I was furious so where my parents! If I knew then, what I know now, I would have just remained silent and not answered any of their questions and then sued them for harassment. I wasn't even reimbursed for my lunch either.

The drug war is a huge scam. It all about control and it is all about conditioning the kids to obey authority!

That story is both laugh out loud funny and infuriating at the same time.

I was in high school in the 70's, the only sniffing I remember is the teachers in 7th grade when I was still in the city sniffing our breath to see if we had been smoking.

 

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[JK/SEA]

i'd be all for drug testing middle school kids as soon as there is a law mandating that ALL law enforcement and elected officials submit to random testing for illicit drugs and alcohol.

 

[MelissaWV]

The funny thing about that article is that it justifies drug testing with the fact that professional sports do test for doping, etc.. If that were the only argument, maybe they could have a point as afterschool activities are elective and could loosely be discussed as a contractual issue. Except they aren't. If you get "caught" (false positive or no) by one of these tests, your academics will be null and void. You won't be at school. You will likely get branded and made an example of. It's going to go on your transcript/record in some way, I am sure, which will impact your ability to get into college. Again, this is likely going to happen regardless of whether or not the positive is false or for heroin or for pot or for whatever else the school thinks is a no-no.

That's the argument as it pertains to sports.

Now, I'm not up on my professional scrapbooking leagues, but do they test for drugs?

 

[DGambler]

i'd be all for drug testing middle school kids as soon as there is a law mandating that ALL law enforcement and elected officials submit to random testing for illicit drugs and alcohol.

Exactly. Actually, if you are in any position that pays you from the public dole. Congress critters and Senators should be tested weekly.

 

[RockEnds]

I dunno. I'm not in favor of drug testing anyone, but if the schools insist upon it, maybe they should start with the faculty. And administration. I almost forgot them. They should definitely require drug testing of themselves before they impose it upon those receiving their services.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

That's the argument as it pertains to sports.

Now, I'm not up on my professional scrapbooking leagues, but do they test for drugs?

I just always assumed scrapbookers were high as hell.

 

[belian78]

Everyone I've ever met that's gone through D.A.R.E. said they came out of it wanting to try drugs.

-t

That was my experience too. I came out of D.A.R.E. with a pretty good idea of what I might try, and what I would stay away from all together. Which, for the most part, I've always stuck to. So in some ways it worked for me, just not the way they wanted it to.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Not true around here. There is an absolute epidemic of IV heroin use as far down as the middle school. They would NEVER require testing in our district, though because of their "image." Bunch of professionals live in our small community, and it's always had that "holier than though" air to it. They'd rather stick their noses in the ground and pretend their 12 year olds aren't shooting up in school and their daughters aren't giving BJs for drugs in the public school bathrooms.

I'm against the testing, but I understand where it comes from. The problem being that when the kids are caught, they aren't sent to treatment, they're removed from the school and sent to either the military-like "alternate" program or to a detention center.

School to Prison.

Reason number #3298 to homeschool.

 

[Anti Federalist]

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