Now middle schools are drug testing kids.

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And 72 percent of parents wanted it.

SMH...Who are these people?




Middle Schools Add a Team Rule: Get a Drug Test

By MARY PILON

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/s...for-drugs.html?google_editors_picks=true&_r=0

Published: September 22, 2012

MILFORD, Pa. — As a 12-year-old seventh grader, Glenn and Kathy Kiederer’s older daughter wanted to play sports at Delaware Valley Middle School here. She also wanted to join the scrapbooking club.

One day she took home a permission slip. It said that to participate in the club or any school sport, she would have to consent to drug testing.

“They were asking a 12-year-old to pee in a cup,” Kathy Kiederer said. “I have a problem with that. They’re violating her right to privacy over scrapbooking? Sports?”

Olympic athletes must submit urine samples to prove they are not doping. The same is true for Tour de France cyclists, N.F.L. players, college athletes and even some high school athletes. Now, children in grades as low as middle school are being told that providing a urine sample is required to play sports or participate in extracurricular activities like drama and choir.

Such drug testing at the middle school level is confounding students and stirring objections from parents and proponents of civil liberties.

The Kiederers, whose two daughters are now in high school, are plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the Delaware Valley School District, with the daughters identified only by their first initials, A. and M. The parents said that mandatory drug testing was unnecessary and that it infringed on their daughters’ rights. (For privacy reasons, they asked that their daughters’ first names not be published.)

A lawyer for the school district declined to comment, citing the pending litigation.

It is difficult to gauge how many middle schools conduct drug tests on students. States with middle schools that conduct drug testing include Florida, Alabama, Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas, Ohio, New Jersey and Texas.

Some coaches, teachers and school administrators said drug-testing programs served as a deterrent for middle school students encountering drugs of all kinds, including steroids, marijuana and alcohol.

“We wanted to do it to create a general awareness of drug prevention,” said Steve Klotz, assistant superintendent at Maryville School District in Missouri. “We’re no different than any other community. We have kids who are making those decisions.”

There are no known instances of a middle school student testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs like steroids or human growth hormone. The few positive results among middle school students have been attributed to marijuana, officials said, and even those cases are rare.

Maryville’s drug-testing program, which includes most of its middle and high school students, begins this fall after officials spent 18 months reviewing other programs in the state, Mr. Klotz said. In the fall of 2011, Mr. Klotz said, the school board conducted a survey of parents, and 72 percent said that a drug-testing program was necessary. The cost will be $5,000 to $7,000 a year and will come from the school’s general operating budget.

“Drug testing is a multibillion-dollar industry,” said Dr. Linn Goldberg, head of the Division of Health Promotion and Sports Medicine at the Oregon Health and Science University. “They go to these schools and say it’s great. But do the schools actually look at the data? Schools don’t know what to do.”

Drug testing for high school athletes, which has been around for years, was deemed constitutional in a 1995 United States Supreme Court ruling. Some districts have expanded their drug-testing programs in recent years to include middle school students.

In 2003, the Department of Education started a program that offered federal money for drug testing in grades 6 through 12, and the last of the grants will be closed out this fall. The program, following the outlines of the Supreme Court decision, allowed testing for students who participated in school activities, or whose parents chose to enroll them.

In the 2004-5 school year, an estimated 14 percent of public school districts conducted some form of random drug testing, according to a Department of Education report. But middle school testing is not thoroughly tracked by officials.

The nature of drug-testing programs at the middle school level varies by school district. In general, an outside testing company conducts the tests under contract with school authorities. Students are generally given little, if any, advance notice and are pulled away from class and asked to urinate in a cup — unsupervised, to comply with privacy laws.
 
That's how it has always been where I'm from. If the kid wants to participate in any clubs or sports programs they are required to get drug tested.
 
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Why if we don't want kids doing doing drugs in the streets, we need to have them doing extra curricular activities after school. Unless they test positive on a drug test - those little bastards are better off doing drugs in the streets.

That logic is inline with the viewpoint of the masses, so this should come as no surprise:
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That's how it has always been where I'm from. If the kid wants to participate in any clubs or sports programs they are required to get drug tested.

No, I can assure that's not always how it's been.

Perfect example of how tyranny acclimates the people.

"There has always been TSA".

"Seat belt roadblocks? It's always been that way."

"Those surveillance cameras have always been there."

"We've always been at war with Eastasia."

Like Winston Smith, I have a memory that works.

It has not always been like this in Oceania.
 
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Come on guys... this is just another case of too little too late. If we really want to fix the problem, we need to chip um, fit um with shock collars and GPS tracking units, piss test um and give all the girls IUD's... say in pre-school. At birth would be better! :rolleyes:

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The D.A.R.E. programs did nothing more than introduce the kids to the street drugs.

Besides most of the kids in government school are not really drugged out on street drugs any way, most of them are on prescription drugs because of the ADHD, bipolar, depression, etc...
 
That's how it has always been where I'm from. If the kid wants to participate in any clubs or sports programs they are required to get drug tested.

There is no way it has ALWAYS been that way. Not that many years ago, most parents would have thrown an absolute fit over their child being drug-tested for something like this.
 
No, I can assure that's not always how it's been.

Perfect example of how tyranny acclimates the people.

"There has always been TSA".

"Seat belt roadblocks? It's always been that way."

"Those surveillance cameras have always been there."

"We've always been at war with Eastasia."

Like Winston Smith, I have a memory that works.

It has not always been like this in Oceania.


Damn straight!

And if anyone doesn't "get" that last bit, I urge you - hell, I'll BEG you - to read 1984 by George Orwell.
 
No. It really has been like that here for a long time. I'm not kidding and you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. Drug testing in schools is not anything new. This is an example from 1995 but they've been doing it long before that:

Vernonia School District 47J v. Acton, 515 U.S. 646 (1995) was a U.S. Supreme Court decision which upheld the constitutionality of random drug testing regimen implemented by the local public schools in Vernonia, Oregon. Under that regimen, student athletes were required to submit to random drug testing before being allowed to participate in sports. During the season, 10% of all athletes were selected at random for testing. The Supreme Court held that although the tests were searches under the Fourth Amendment, they were reasonable in light of the schools' interest in preventing teenage drug use.

They just took out the random part and made it mandatory in 2002.

Board of Education v. Earls, 536 U.S. 822 (2002), was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court upheld the constitutionality of mandatory drug testing by public schools of students participating in extracurricular activities. The legal challenge to the practice was brought by two students, Lindsay Earls and Daniel James, and their families against the school board of Tecumseh, Oklahoma, alleging that their policy requiring students to consent to random urinalysis testing for drug use violated the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
 
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That's how it has always been where I'm from. If the kid wants to participate in any clubs or sports programs they are required to get drug tested.

There is no way it has ALWAYS been that way. Not that many years ago, most parents would have thrown an absolute fit over their child being drug-tested for something like this.


I'm guessing we're seeing a generational shifting of viewpoints here.

Derailing, I'm guessing you're in your mid to late 20s. Am I close? :)
 
You are correct.

I'd like to mention that I do not believe that a urine sample should be required to play sports or participate in clubs. I am merely pointing out that this is commonplace in public schools (not just in high school) today and started in the US many years ago.
 
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The state is more responsible than parents.

Children aren't to be trusted.

It's a privilege for a child to participate in the programs your tax dollars pay for.

It's a "juvenile" record, it'll never follow them into adulthood.

It's for the children...

Bullshit!

Parents and taxpayers who advocate this type of oversight deserve to loose their children, and make no mistake the state will take them away "for their own good".
 
Sure has not been that way always here. My kid, pushing 30 now, was a swim team member in school (also on a non-school team since she was 10)
I don't recall her EVER being drug tested..physical yes.. piss in a cup.. not on my watch
 
The D.A.R.E. programs did nothing more than introduce the kids to the street drugs.

Besides most of the kids in government school are not really drugged out on street drugs any way, most of them are on prescription drugs because of the ADHD, bipolar, depression, etc...

Not true around here. There is an absolute epidemic of IV heroin use as far down as the middle school. They would NEVER require testing in our district, though because of their "image." Bunch of professionals live in our small community, and it's always had that "holier than though" air to it. They'd rather stick their noses in the ground and pretend their 12 year olds aren't shooting up in school and their daughters aren't giving BJs for drugs in the public school bathrooms.

I'm against the testing, but I understand where it comes from. The problem being that when the kids are caught, they aren't sent to treatment, they're removed from the school and sent to either the military-like "alternate" program or to a detention center.
 
Sure has not been that way always here. My kid, pushing 30 now, was a swim team member in school (also on a non-school team since she was 10)
I don't recall her EVER being drug tested..physical yes.. piss in a cup.. not on my watch

My two older kids are mid-20s. They were both in year-round sports through the school in addition to chorus and other activities. They were never tested. When I was in high school, no one cared if we had it in our locker. Seriously. I remember a couple people who got in trouble for it, but it was only because they did something else to make the administration mad first. And the trouble they did get into for having drugs in their locker was pretty much a slap on the wrist. Maybe a 3 day suspension and a fine. We didn't hide our cigarettes, either. I was a smoker in high school. We couldn't smoke on school property, but as long as we stepped off the curb onto the street, we were fine. We couldn't participate in athletics if we smoked, but we could be in all the other extra-curricular activities. I guess they just didn't want us huffing and puffing as we ran down the field?
 
The D.A.R.E. programs did nothing more than introduce the kids to the street drugs.

Besides most of the kids in government school are not really drugged out on street drugs any way, most of them are on prescription drugs because of the ADHD, bipolar, depression, etc...

Yep-and those drugs have much scarier side effects than ANY of the "street" drugs.
 
ANd I'm 35, graduated HS in '95, and there was no drug testing at our school, or any of the other ones, for any reason.

What's telling is that testing shows only very rarely does a student pop on a test, and when they do, it's for marijuana. So lets waste THOUSANDS of dollars a year to SCARE the students into thinking they'll always be tested for drugs.....that they aren't even doing to begin with.

I need to find a another country to move to, and quick. I need a sugar momma, too.

SO rich ladies....if you're out there, I'm available. My wife will get over it(but she has to come, too).
 
There's been drug testing for sports for at least 30 years. I believe they test for steroids and PED's too. Drugs are also a pervasive problem starting in the middle school level.
 
No. It really has been like that here for a long time. I'm not kidding and you don't have to believe me if you don't want to. Drug testing in schools is not anything new. This is an example from 1995 but they've been doing it long before that:



They just took out the random part and made it mandatory in 2002.

Holy cow! 1995, and long before that?

You have to be kidding me, get a little perspective historically. History didn't start in the 90's, or even the 80's. :rolleyes:
 
Well let me ask, has it been effective?

Has drug testing students that are inclined to extracurricular school activities been shown to deter them from trying drugs that very well could ruin their life from a young age? I would venture that it has; but it probably has also kept some kids from otherwise trying out extracurricular school activities.
 
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