kathy88
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Now is the time for Ron Paul to take a stand and call out the GOP, Patrick Henry style.
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Perhaps we can make a video of one of us making the speech and try to make it go viral.
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Here is the convention warning:
"As we head to Tampa, and our campaign places our delegates into the convention center, it will become clear that those unbound delegates who you thought were chosen carefully by party leaders to tow the party line, are actually extremely skilled Ron Paul supporters who have worked for the last 4 years to try and save the party from it's own short sighted actions. In 2008 our supporters created a strategy of becoming involved in GOP functions and taking positions of leadership with in the party. For the sole purpose of repairing the party and returning it to its true conservative roots. We would like to avoid any embarrassing disruptions that the Democrats will use against us in the general election. So when the roll call of delegates start making their votes heard from each state, it would be advisable not to try and break party rules, try and shut us out or insight a situation that could potentially be embarrassing to the Republican Party.
Our delegates are instructed to act politely and simply cast there vote for Ron Paul in a calm and orderly fashion. However should the party decide to use dirty tricks, or report the delegates votes improperly, our delegates have the knowledge to fight these rule violations. Should our campaign legitimately not get the required 1144 delegate votes, we will not try and game the system as some GOP state and local groups have already done. "
"As we head to Tampa, and our campaign places our delegates into the convention center, it will become clear that those unbound delegates who you thought were chosen carefully by party leaders to tow the party line, are actually extremely skilled Ron Paul supporters who have worked for the last 4 years to try and save the party from it's own short sighted actions. In 2008 our supporters created a strategy of becoming involved in GOP functions and taking positions of leadership with in the party. For the sole purpose of repairing the party and returning it to its true conservative roots. We would like to avoid any embarrassing disruptions that the Democrats will use against us in the general election. So when the roll call of delegates start making their votes heard from each state, it would be advisable not to try and break party rules, try and shut us out or insight a situation that could potentially be embarrassing to the Republican Party.
Our delegates are instructed to act politely and simply cast there vote for Ron Paul in a calm and orderly fashion. However should the party decide to use dirty tricks, or report the delegates votes improperly, our delegates have the knowledge to fight these rule violations. Should our campaign legitimately not get the required 1144 delegate votes, we will not try and game the system as some GOP state and local groups have already done. "
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Yes, from the speech as Berkeley, definitely for the win and it seems much closer to hand then many believe.
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I like the idea conceptually. We just need to be careful with the facts. For example.
1. That he is the only one who can beat Obama -- There is NO polling that shows this. In fact the RCP Average has Paul losing to Obama by 7.6, where Romney loses by 4.5
2. Romney and Santorum will not get the youth vote away from Obama --- Exit polling shows that Romney and Santorum both have won the youth vote over Paul is many states. For example in AZ, 57% of the youth vote went to Romney, only 15% to Paul.
3. The Ron Paul supporters will stage a massive write in campaign or vote 3rd party and cause Obama to win a second term. --- Massive is an overstatement. Paul has received just over a million votes in the primaries, and will likely double that when all said and done. If the write in campaign would match his primary total, that would account for less than 1% of the general election turnout. Additionally, exit polling suggests that only about 30% of Paul voters will not vote for the nominee.
4. If the convention comes and there is no candidate with 1144 delegates, that the Paul supporters will create a scene and force a stalemate that will embarrass the party and force multiple rounds of voting until Paul wins. --- the chances of a brokered convention are so slim right now, this is almost a moot point.
So don't get me wrong, I like the Patrick Henry type speech, but it needs to be based on facts and not opinions or speculation. The four points you laid out are easily disputable, which is why it wouldn't be the best idea to run with those four points, since they can be very easily countered. I would suggest that it is far better to focus on the main issues of the day - economy, taxes, jobs, etc - those are the points where Paul can make an impact.
1. That he is the only one who can beat Obama -- There is NO polling that shows this. In fact the RCP Average has Paul losing to Obama by 7.6, where Romney loses by 4.5
2. Romney and Santorum will not get the youth vote away from Obama --- Exit polling shows that Romney and Santorum both have won the youth vote over Paul is many states. For example in AZ, 57% of the youth vote went to Romney, only 15% to Paul.
3. The Ron Paul supporters will stage a massive write in campaign or vote 3rd party and cause Obama to win a second term. --- Massive is an overstatement. Paul has received just over a million votes in the primaries, and will likely double that when all said and done. If the write in campaign would match his primary total, that would account for less than 1% of the general election turnout. Additionally, exit polling suggests that only about 30% of Paul voters will not vote for the nominee.
4. If the convention comes and there is no candidate with 1144 delegates, that the Paul supporters will create a scene and force a stalemate that will embarrass the party and force multiple rounds of voting until Paul wins. --- the chances of a brokered convention are so slim right now, this is almost a moot point.
So don't get me wrong, I like the Patrick Henry type speech, but it needs to be based on facts and not opinions or speculation. The four points you laid out are easily disputable, which is why it wouldn't be the best idea to run with those four points, since they can be very easily countered. I would suggest that it is far better to focus on the main issues of the day - economy, taxes, jobs, etc - those are the points where Paul can make an impact.
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The OP is right when he saws that the elite does not like Romney (there are too many different groups of elite to really be a stable establishment). So many of my friends (myself included) are just sitting on the side lines since many think Romney is pretty unlikely to win in November. Why support an unlikely winner?
One of the reasons so many general establishment figures (those who have remained neutral so far) are endorsing Romney now is because they do not think he will drag other Republicans down in the general, which Santorum will.
Though they also want the primary process over so the general public won't have to see unelectable clowns like Santorum and Gingrich 'representing' the Republican party.
One of the reasons so many general establishment figures (those who have remained neutral so far) are endorsing Romney now is because they do not think he will drag other Republicans down in the general, which Santorum will.
Though they also want the primary process over so the general public won't have to see unelectable clowns like Santorum and Gingrich 'representing' the Republican party.
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Perhaps none of you have ever actually met Dr. Paul or listened to his style, his mannerisms, or paid attention to his personality.
Dr. Paul does not threaten.
Dr. Paul does not lay out ultimatums.
Dr. Paul does not speak in absolutes.
What you're looking for is a leader with Dr. Paul's sincerity, honesty, and consistency, but who has an aggressive, confrontational personality. That person is not Ronald Ernest Paul. Sorry, but it's not.
That person may be Randall Paul. It certainly seemed that way at times during his 2010 primary campaign with Trey Grayson, whom Rand called a liar multiple times, in public, to his face (for the record, Greyson WAS a liar).
I understand the frustration you're feeling, but constantly getting bent out of shape because Ron Paul doesn't act as aggressively as you want him to isn't going to do anything but give you heartburn.
Dr. Paul does not threaten.
Dr. Paul does not lay out ultimatums.
Dr. Paul does not speak in absolutes.
What you're looking for is a leader with Dr. Paul's sincerity, honesty, and consistency, but who has an aggressive, confrontational personality. That person is not Ronald Ernest Paul. Sorry, but it's not.
That person may be Randall Paul. It certainly seemed that way at times during his 2010 primary campaign with Trey Grayson, whom Rand called a liar multiple times, in public, to his face (for the record, Greyson WAS a liar).
I understand the frustration you're feeling, but constantly getting bent out of shape because Ron Paul doesn't act as aggressively as you want him to isn't going to do anything but give you heartburn.
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The mainstream republican doesn't even know about Paul's rallies because the msm chooses not to tell them. Why would they give a Ron Paul video any attention?
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The whole idea is, because it is unlike Ron Paul to make a speech like this, that move from his normal personality would make it news worthy. The media loves when politicians go out side their comfort zone and make waves. That is why this speech will be important.
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Agreed, provided though he wouldn't say things that are easily disproved. Like I pointed out, if he said "Santorum and Romney can't get the youth vote" his detractors could throw up a graphic that shows several states where Romney or Santorum clobbered Paul with the 18-29 bloc.
Romney is getting young Mormon Republicans to turn out, as in AZ or NV; in some states he is getting young establishment Republicans.
but he can't get the independents like Ron could.
I have a feeling the campaign is still hoping for a Romney Rand ticket. I can't think of any other reason why they are holding back.
but he can't get the independents like Ron could.
I have a feeling the campaign is still hoping for a Romney Rand ticket. I can't think of any other reason why they are holding back.
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Hmmm, they raised $30 million this time, and $30 million last time...at least this time they hired professionals to do their ads, though the campaign itself was not prepared from the beginning to win it.
If you are raising money, like the campaign was in the beginning, there is no reason to not have at least one solid attack ad on every single candidate already produced/in the wings, but perhaps not air it.
The RP campaign has failed to directly attack President Obama in a one-on-one, and has directly failed to attack Romney in a one-on-one.
With the attack ads/history ads (all they do is show the other guys have no history/record to run on) done, that would leave RP's campaign with simply making ads addressing things that the voters don't understand about RP's positions...such as foreign policy.
I'm just waiting for RP to announce when his new book is coming out...it happened in 2008, and I'm guessing based off of the history then, that a new book is pretty much in the wings just ready for a publish/print announcement.
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