November 5th Money Bomb!
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he's still in it...your prediction is still viable...please tell me you're not one of those defeatist types....
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Steve-in-NY
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Money now is better than money later.
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What's funny is I predicted Rand would run a campaign similar to his Senatorial bid.
I have never been so wrong.
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So much doom and gloom, yeesh.
Remember that right now we are the 2-4% keeping the Liberty movement on the National Stage.
It's not about Rand and it isn't about Ron. You can't compare completely different things.
Money bombs are still a thing--other campaigns in this cycle are using similar tactics to good effect.
I feel for the campaign right now though. Nobody wants to throw money at a losing proposition, and I think the greatest impact of Rand's dip in the polls is that their finances got hit pretty hard. Which is why I suspect they have been interrupting their own planned Money Bomb events with these random, not well publicized, spur of the moment fundraisers.
More so than not raising a crap ton of money, the impatience of the Rand campaign has been a little frustrating.
Otherwise I think they are doing the best they can do! Go Rand!
Remember that right now we are the 2-4% keeping the Liberty movement on the National Stage.
It's not about Rand and it isn't about Ron. You can't compare completely different things.
Money bombs are still a thing--other campaigns in this cycle are using similar tactics to good effect.
I feel for the campaign right now though. Nobody wants to throw money at a losing proposition, and I think the greatest impact of Rand's dip in the polls is that their finances got hit pretty hard. Which is why I suspect they have been interrupting their own planned Money Bomb events with these random, not well publicized, spur of the moment fundraisers.
More so than not raising a crap ton of money, the impatience of the Rand campaign has been a little frustrating.
Otherwise I think they are doing the best they can do! Go Rand!
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The people donating and still in the game "gets" what Rand is doing and even if Rand weren't running, they'd still "get it".
Those who are feeling defeated, never understood what it took to be in a winning revolution so their hopes are down because they thought others would do the work for them as they cheerleaded on the sidelines.
Its just a game of expectations. If you never expected this fight to be hard, no wonder you're surprised that we're not at the top of our game right now.
Those who are feeling defeated, never understood what it took to be in a winning revolution so their hopes are down because they thought others would do the work for them as they cheerleaded on the sidelines.
Its just a game of expectations. If you never expected this fight to be hard, no wonder you're surprised that we're not at the top of our game right now.
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But is it better than a hamburger now?
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It is important to keep in mind that the original Nov. 5th money bomb in 2007, though a smashing success, did not win Paul the nomination. It may seem a cop-out, but there is more to running an election than banking millions, though I'd prefer it if we had brought in a lot more.
Also, the moneybombs were a new way to force the media to give Ron coverage. Rand is somewhat blacked out by the media but nowhere near the extent that Ron was, particularly when the original Nov 5 mb happened. Raising that money meant -attention- moreso than funding the campaign.
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I doubt it really has that much to do with Guy Fawkes and Nov 5th perse'. Even the first Nov 5th moneybomb, Glenn Beck was railing against Ron Paul and the tea party movement and comparing us to terrorist because we were having a "moneybomb" on Nov 5th.
IIRC Ron still made over 4 million for that moneybomb. Soooo.....
http://www.informationliberation.com/test.php?id=24276
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blo...on-paul-donors-and-david-horowitz-smears-lrc/
I did expect the moneybomb to be a flop, so I was right about that, unfortunately. I have stated it so many times before, but it just doesnt seem to sink in. Moneybombs are no longer really effective. It has had its 15 mins of fame. People are feeling moneybomb fatigue. Hell I finally unsubscribed from Rand's email because I was tired quite frankly of being spammed by him begging for money. I donate what I can when I can and that's it. So as far as that goes, he has already pushed me away in that I dont want to see any more emails from him and his campaign. I would be willing to bet others here have removed themselves from that email list as well, even if they won't admit it.
Those that seem to think there is doom and gloom here, or that people have defeatist attitudes are the real lost causes. I for one am more of a realistic that looks at things from a pragmatic point of view. Thank you Ron Paul. The writing is on the wall for this campaign cycle and Rand. Going by the only poll numbers the debates care about, Rand came in last place by the skin of his teeth. In each and every debate so far he has been all the way at the outer edge. If you think that doesn't have a negative affect on things, you're kidding yourself. I will be impressed if he makes it into the next main debate. He could easily be at the kiddie table next time, or eliminated completely.
Understand, I would love to see a POTUS Rand Paul, but it is not going to happen in 2016. Most likely we will have Billary Clinton with the remaining lineup the Republicans have. Hopefully this lays the ground work for a lot of 'I told you so's' and can help garner support for Rand in 2020.
IIRC Ron still made over 4 million for that moneybomb. Soooo.....
http://www.informationliberation.com/test.php?id=24276
https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blo...on-paul-donors-and-david-horowitz-smears-lrc/
I did expect the moneybomb to be a flop, so I was right about that, unfortunately. I have stated it so many times before, but it just doesnt seem to sink in. Moneybombs are no longer really effective. It has had its 15 mins of fame. People are feeling moneybomb fatigue. Hell I finally unsubscribed from Rand's email because I was tired quite frankly of being spammed by him begging for money. I donate what I can when I can and that's it. So as far as that goes, he has already pushed me away in that I dont want to see any more emails from him and his campaign. I would be willing to bet others here have removed themselves from that email list as well, even if they won't admit it.
Those that seem to think there is doom and gloom here, or that people have defeatist attitudes are the real lost causes. I for one am more of a realistic that looks at things from a pragmatic point of view. Thank you Ron Paul. The writing is on the wall for this campaign cycle and Rand. Going by the only poll numbers the debates care about, Rand came in last place by the skin of his teeth. In each and every debate so far he has been all the way at the outer edge. If you think that doesn't have a negative affect on things, you're kidding yourself. I will be impressed if he makes it into the next main debate. He could easily be at the kiddie table next time, or eliminated completely.
Understand, I would love to see a POTUS Rand Paul, but it is not going to happen in 2016. Most likely we will have Billary Clinton with the remaining lineup the Republicans have. Hopefully this lays the ground work for a lot of 'I told you so's' and can help garner support for Rand in 2020.
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One in which I would gladly pay you Thursday for? :o
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You've pretty much admitted your reason for being here is "I told you so". You may believe you are doing some good, but you don't seem to get what the Rand forum is about, and what you are really doing is antagonizing Rand 2016 supporters in one of the few public places where shit like that is supposedly off limits. We know it is not going to be an easy fight and we are not delusional, this is a place where even in the worst of times, people are still able to remain positive, and this is what we want to show to potential new supporters who lurk this forum. It serves no one but yourself and the opposing campaigns to actively discourage support when Rand himself has said on numerous occasions his campaign is just getting started, and is prepared to take it all the way to the convention if that's what it takes to win.
you don't make me FEELGOOD. In fact, you're pissing me off.
CPU'd, said it pretty well.
I'm trying to cut down on my profanity in here, and you're making it difficult for me...
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I'm obviously biased, but as someone that spent 100's of hours working on this since September - I regret nothing.
I don't compare it to 2007. Things are different, people's habits and technology and the state of the race are not the same and make a money bomb of that size much more difficult. Even Ron's money bombs in 2012 weren't able to beat 2007 - despite having more support and electoral success - and if he were running today I don't know that he'd be able to beat 2012 either. The supporters are out there, but it's so much harder to reach them.
But I do still believe in the money bomb idea. They energize the grassroots and get people involved. And they pull in more donations than would have been made otherwise. You should see the amount of "this is my first donation to any candidate" and "I said I wasn't going to donate but..." comments.
I'm sorry if it wasn't what some were expecting. But ultimately I think of it as - whatever the total... Rand has more money today than he had yesterday. And more money was raised during the money bombs than would have been on a regular day if there had been no money bomb.
I do hope to do better and the goal is to grow and have a bigger money bomb eventually. But right now the most important thing is having enough money to keep surviving in this crowded field. All things considered, Rand still raised more in the last week than other candidates had in cash on hand total.
Two thirds of the candidates remaining would be throwing a party for having the grassroots run a fundraiser that gets them a few hundred thousand online in a week... not to mention Rick Perry and Scott Walker that already ran out of money.
But it's not over yet, and we can still keep working to make it bigger...
I don't compare it to 2007. Things are different, people's habits and technology and the state of the race are not the same and make a money bomb of that size much more difficult. Even Ron's money bombs in 2012 weren't able to beat 2007 - despite having more support and electoral success - and if he were running today I don't know that he'd be able to beat 2012 either. The supporters are out there, but it's so much harder to reach them.
But I do still believe in the money bomb idea. They energize the grassroots and get people involved. And they pull in more donations than would have been made otherwise. You should see the amount of "this is my first donation to any candidate" and "I said I wasn't going to donate but..." comments.
I'm sorry if it wasn't what some were expecting. But ultimately I think of it as - whatever the total... Rand has more money today than he had yesterday. And more money was raised during the money bombs than would have been on a regular day if there had been no money bomb.
I do hope to do better and the goal is to grow and have a bigger money bomb eventually. But right now the most important thing is having enough money to keep surviving in this crowded field. All things considered, Rand still raised more in the last week than other candidates had in cash on hand total.
Two thirds of the candidates remaining would be throwing a party for having the grassroots run a fundraiser that gets them a few hundred thousand online in a week... not to mention Rick Perry and Scott Walker that already ran out of money.
But it's not over yet, and we can still keep working to make it bigger...
Extended the Facebook event, so you can still invite friends there or share the link:
https://Facebook.com/events/951593931573403/
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Extended the Facebook event, so you can still invite friends there or share the link:
https://Facebook.com/events/951593931573403/
Great job! I appreciate your hard work and was so happy to be a part of this!
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Sorry guys this is just sad not even 300K verses over 4 million for the same deal in 2007 for Ron.
The enthusiasm is just not here this time. I was following that 2007 money bomb too, it was so amazing.
I think after the defeats of 2008 and 2012 the wind has been knocked out that blimp, people won't commit like they did last time.
They might if he won the nomination and went up against Hilary.
I am pragmatic, and I think some are waiting to see what happens in the first primaries or even super Tuesday.
The enthusiasm is just not here this time. I was following that 2007 money bomb too, it was so amazing.
I think after the defeats of 2008 and 2012 the wind has been knocked out that blimp, people won't commit like they did last time.
They might if he won the nomination and went up against Hilary.
I am pragmatic, and I think some are waiting to see what happens in the first primaries or even super Tuesday.
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I do think if Rand wins Iowa, a lot of the support will come back. A lot of people don't like the low polling, Rand started his campaign off with pretty decent donations.
Anti-establishment support has been split so many ways this year but you're right one one of the points, a lot of people are tired of the corruption and they won't fund another RNC sham.
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