Not Impeachment, But a Coup: a Disgusting Defense of Collapsing Imperial Order

[PRB]

Your logic circuits are broken. If Biden was able to get the president of Ukraine to fire a prosecutor in order to receive aid, that in itself is a sign of corruption on the part of the president of Ukraine.

Not Zelensky.

But if you're going to say Zelensky is corrupt, it makes zero sense to trust him to help you to investigate.

 

[PRB]

Maybe it's because he was subpoenaed. Military personnel don't usually disobey congressional subpoenas, unlike those in the White House.

And what "impression" was being represented? His uniform is authorized for year-round wear, and military personnel testifying before Congress often, if not usually, appear in uniform.

why should there be any sanctions? he was still military the moment he was testifying.

 

[PRB]

I consider the impeachment hearings to be part of the coup (although I agree with your assessment about Russiagate being a more definitive example), since the impeachment attempt is in conjunction with every other scheme against Trump, so I do not analyze it in a vacuum based upon its own merits.

While impeachment is a Constitutional method of opposing a President, I do not consider this impeachment to be acted upon in good faith, which is why I can include it as part of the multi-faceted, soft coup attempt.

what would he need to do to have committed a crime worthy of removal?

 

[PRB]

good news : Trump throws Guiliani under the bus and Nunes is so desperate to save his face that he's suing CNN & Daily Beast.

Looks like all the President's men are getting in trouble.

What's more likely, that the President is full of crappy associates? Or the deep state is so good at throwing innocent people in prison?

 

[jmdrake]

Not Zelensky.

But if you're going to say Zelensky is corrupt, it makes zero sense to trust him to help you to investigate.

Zelensky was being asked to investigate a corrupt matter that happened before his watch. So it makes 100% sense to ask him to help with the investigation.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Could it be that Deep Neocons are actually tricking Deep State/Dems?

"IT'S A TRAP"

 

[Swordsmyth]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1196540217131438091.html

 

[PRB]

Zelensky was being asked to investigate a corrupt matter that happened before his watch. So it makes 100% sense to ask him to help with the investigation.

What corrupt matter?

 

[jmdrake]

What corrupt matter?

You earlier admitted that you were okay with Joe Biden going to prison. So you've already admitted what Joe Biden did was corrupt. Next.

 

[PRB]

You earlier admitted that you were okay with Joe Biden going to prison. So you've already admitted what Joe Biden did was corrupt. Next.

My bad, yes, Biden is corrupt, and criminal, and should be in prison. But that's not what Trump asked. Trump asked for a public announcement for investigating Biden, which had nothing to do with the guilt of Biden (I said Biden is guilty because I don't give a F--- about the law when it comes to Democrats, but President Trump who is a Republican and cares about corruption doesn't get to have this luxury).

See the difference? I'm willing to throw Biden in prison because I'm a fascist who hates Democrats, Trump is a President who has to follow the law. So he gets impeached for it.

I'm willing to put any Democrats in prison because I feel like, it, but I hold my President to the rule of law, and if you don't like my double standard, take it up with Congress

 

[PRB]

Could it be that Deep Neocons are actually tricking Deep State/Dems?

"IT'S A TRAP"

Imagine having no grasp of reality that you need to keep making up conspiracy theories, rather than just accept that our President did something wrong, possibly illegal.

 

[PRB]

I consider the impeachment hearings to be part of the coup (although I agree with your assessment about Russiagate being a more definitive example), since the impeachment attempt is in conjunction with every other scheme against Trump, so I do not analyze it in a vacuum based upon its own merits.

While impeachment is a Constitutional method of opposing a President, I do not consider this impeachment to be acted upon in good faith, which is why I can include it as part of the multi-faceted, soft coup attempt.

Nothing our President done or said in the past 3 years has been in good faith, so go cry me a river if you think he's been unfairly bullied.

 

[Swordsmyth]

My bad, yes, Biden is corrupt, and criminal, and should be in prison. But that's not what Trump asked. Trump asked for a public announcement for investigating Biden, which had nothing to do with the guilt of Biden (I said Biden is guilty because I don't give a F--- about the law when it comes to Democrats, but President Trump who is a Republican and cares about corruption doesn't get to have this luxury).

See the difference? I'm willing to throw Biden in prison because I'm a fascist who hates Democrats, Trump is a President who has to follow the law. So he gets impeached for it.

I'm willing to put any Democrats in prison because I feel like, it, but I hold my President to the rule of law, and if you don't like my double standard, take it up with Congress

Trump asked for an investigation which was warranted and not a crime.

 

[PRB]

Trump asked for an investigation which was warranted and not a crime.

no, he didn't. he asked for an announcement.

 

[Swordsmyth]

no, he didn't. he asked for an announcement.

WRONG

 

[PRB]

WRONG

so Taylor is lying?

 

[Swordsmyth]

so Taylor is lying?

Yes.

 

[PRB]

Yes.

who else is lying other than the President?

 

[PRB]

by the way, Kyle Kulinski's opposition to impeachment is purely strategical and PR, he acknowledges all the facts about what happened (so do most Republicans)

This is why Republicans have no defense, they cry about the process, the speed, the hearings being too private or too public, complain that Trump can't defend himself but Trump himself refuses to defend himself on record.

The only kangaroo court is Trump's twitter account, coward afraid to speak under oath.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Vice President Mike Pence is among the top officials culpable in President Donald Trump’s efforts to bend U.S. foreign policy for personal gain, according to a report released Tuesday from House Democrats investigating the potential impeachment of Trump.Pence and other senior officials “were either knowledgeable of or active participants in an effort to extract from a foreign nation the personal political benefits sought by the president,” according to the 300-page report prepared by three House committees and based on weeks of public and private testimony from officials.
The report also faults Pence for not producing “a single document” requested by the panels and for blocking release of part of a transcript of his Sept. 18 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky
Republicans on the investigating committees say the evidence doesn’t support Democrats’ conclusions, including those about Pence.

More at: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rt-vice-president-mike-pence-loop/2601424001/

There it is, this is a coup designed to give us "President Pelosi".