North Dakota

[r3volutionpaul91]

this country deserves whats gonna happen in 2013

 

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Edie Emery ‏ @edie_emery Close
CNN caucus cam inside ND caucus -- district counting is happening in Fargo. Could be a while before we know...

 

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Edie Emery ‏ @edie_emery Close
CNN caucus cam inside ND caucus -- district counting is happening in Fargo. Could be a while before we know...

Thank you!

 

[mczerone]

The bottom line is that Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney have both run far more effective campaigns. Some call ir retail politics. I know I'm going to get flamed for it, but they've just worked harder than Ron has. Neither man does a rally or two and then goes home for a week. Like it or not, they are out there working for votes, not holding mega pep rallies and singing to their own choir.

I'm not trying to "flame" you, but that's not the whole story.

Certainly Ron's campaign schedule/events are partly to blame. And I've wondered aloud here previously why he kept doing the same thing in state after state when it wasn't getting results.

But to claim that this is the "bottom line" is just absurd. Ron could talk to an inner city church, a group of small business owners, a college campus, and a group of veterans. But you know what the news story would be that day? About how Santorum drew a "large crowd of 400".

That's how Michigan played out. Ron was on the ground for as much time as any other candidate, drew more audience member to any function, and got next to nothing from the media. Half of Michigan voters probably didn't even think he was running - all the news shows (local TV and radio included) framed the race as "Mitt vs. Rick".

Imagine how BAD Ron's results would have been if Ron played to small diners and tried to talk to the deaf ears of the GOP establishment in the state. It would have been worse media exposure - instead of "next to nothing" - it would have been EXACTLY nothing.


Sorry, but Ron's worked nearly as hard as Mitt or Rick, you just don't see it because every time Romney pops his head in a manufacturing convention, there's 18 media cameras. So what's the point of working harder if you're not gonna get any marginal benefits anyway?

Do you think the media would all of a sudden start focusing on Ron if he did something different? Certainly he didn't do things perfectly - but I don't see how if could've got much different results without the media's help.

 

[CTRattlesnake]

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CNN caucus cam inside ND caucus -- district counting is happening in Fargo. Could be a while before we know...

So they ARE going to count the Paul rally votes?

 

[Hook]

Why'd George W. Bush get two terms? This country's full of morons.

More than just W. If the country wasn't full of morons, someone like Paul wouldn't be needed, because the country would have elected good leaders for the last century.

 

[WD-NY]

The media robbed us of Iowa, its funny how they waited until the last few days to push the newsletters and pump up Santorum. He was not even registering on the polls until the last few days. And his organization is poor, doesn't mean you can't win states with poor organization though.

Yup, this too.

If we won Iowa this would probably be a totally different race. Santorum would have probably dropped out after SC.

And if Ron had prepared himself for the newsletters instead of looking like a deer caught in the headlights... if Ron had delivered a historic speech on "race" from the perspective of the 'shrinking white majority'... we could've/should've been a different race.

But no...

And personally, I blame the cheerleaders both in RPF and DailyPaul who effectively silenced those with legitimate criticisms and concerns... because they gave the campaign (and Ron specifically) the false impression that we were OK with his lack of response to the newsletters, that we were ok with the lack of prepared speeches (a requirement of any serious candidate)...

 

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Dave Kolpack ‏ @DaveKolpackAP Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Unofficial @ap results from #SuperTuesdayND for the Fargo districts: Rick Santorum 878, Ron Paul 787. Romney third, Gingrich fourth.

? i'm just posting what i see...no idea whats going on

 

[rightcoast]

that doesn't address why he beats Obama.

Please, no one hate me. I'm only repeating what I've heard said. I too, disagree with it.

It does explain it, in their POV. He's the republican with the least coverage, and it's the lack of coverage that allows him to beat Obama in polls sometimes, or do as well as Romney in others. From what I can tell, the people that work with my friends who know I like Paul a lot (meetup coordinator even) ... they think that the minute they cover Paul in earnest, he's toast, and they don't bother for that reason. They think that the favor they are doing him allows him to poll well against Obama. That's logical even, if you take that assumption as a given, it is the next step.

 

[parocks]

This is what I'm wanting to know as well

We should know what happened in Fargo. Is there a thread I'm missing about what happened in Fargo? There just should've been on the scene reports from there.

 

[CTRattlesnake]

Dave Kolpack ‏ @DaveKolpackAP Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Unofficial @ap results from #SuperTuesdayND for the Fargo districts: Rick Santorum 878, Ron Paul 787. Romney third, Gingrich fourth.

? i'm just posting what i see...no idea whats going on

So thousands of people at a rally, but no one votes?

 

[carterm]

google elections; percent keeps going up; numbers not changing.

 

[muzzled dogg]

So thousands of people at a rally, but no one votes?

.......

 

[parocks]

Dave Kolpack ‏ @DaveKolpackAP Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Unofficial @ap results from #SuperTuesdayND for the Fargo districts: Rick Santorum 878, Ron Paul 787. Romney third, Gingrich fourth.

? i'm just posting what i see...no idea whats going on

I just have difficulty believing that we didn't win Fargo.

 

[UNC08]

I feel like such a foolish optimist for believing that we had a shot in ND. And if there's one thing I hate feeling like, it's an optimist.

 

[carterm]

@michellemalkin @chicagotribune I stopped by Fargo caucus- it looked like all Paulbots robbed the local Halberstadts. #suitup #stillcrazy

 

[carterm]

there's no way we lost fargo, and i hate the AP

 

[klamath]

I'm not trying to "flame" you, but that's not the whole story.

Certainly Ron's campaign schedule/events are partly to blame. And I've wondered aloud here previously why he kept doing the same thing in state after state when it wasn't getting results.

But to claim that this is the "bottom line" is just absurd. Ron could talk to an inner city church, a group of small business owners, a college campus, and a group of veterans. But you know what the news story would be that day? About how Santorum drew a "large crowd of 400".

That's how Michigan played out. Ron was on the ground for as much time as any other candidate, drew more audience member to any function, and got next to nothing from the media. Half of Michigan voters probably didn't even think he was running - all the news shows (local TV and radio included) framed the race as "Mitt vs. Rick".

Imagine how BAD Ron's results would have been if Ron played to small diners and tried to talk to the deaf ears of the GOP establishment in the state. It would have been worse media exposure - instead of "next to nothing" - it would have been EXACTLY nothing.


Sorry, but Ron's worked nearly as hard as Mitt or Rick, you just don't see it because every time Romney pops his head in a manufacturing convention, there's 18 media cameras. So what's the point of working harder if you're not gonna get any marginal benefits anyway?

Do you think the media would all of a sudden start focusing on Ron if he did something different? Certainly he didn't do things perfectly - but I don't see how if could've got much different results without the media's help.

RP did really well in campigning in Iowa and would have won it if he would have had a solid plan to deal wint the newletters when it most surely was going to come up.

 

[PaulSoHard]

Is Ron still on the ground at North Dakota? He needs to call out the ND GOP

 

[RPit]

Well guys its pretty much official that there is no shot at the nomination... delegates matter ya, but after today many of our own supporters will not turn out to vote and getting 'other people' to come our way is pretty much impossible, essentially half the country has already voted without us having any wins..

Not that it matters. Winning the nomination was only 1 part of the whole goal- which is liberty. So for that cause we still continue the fight because the more people listen to Paul, the better it is for the county.

We need to still pursue the delegate strategy to help make a mark in the convention, whether they let Paul speak or not, we will raise hell with loud voice.