North Carolina, meet George Orwell.

[Slave Mentality]

https://www.phantomplate.com/photoblocker.html
http://www.ontrackcorp.com/photo-stopper.cfm?id=06


Traffic cameras work because the background is reflective and the letters are not. Cheap solution = make everything matte= $5 Better solution = make everything reflective = $50. Good luck with that solution = lobby your government for less police state and less survelliance society.

Can you look us up some of the James Bond flip tags? That would help me out more than lobbying anyone ever did. Bad attitude I know, but these red pillz taste like doo doo.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

So, my State Senator Chad Barefoot asks me to get ahold of him, and he calls me back to talk about this bill.

He had a lot of encouraging things to say, but at the same time he was also telling me just about everything that I wanted to hear, and unlike so many voters I am perceptive of that. It is true that the privacy advocates like the ACLU were in favor of the amendment because it went from no regulation to full regulation, but it also expands their usage. The problem is that in 'real world' terms the uncertain state of non-regulation often suppresses a new surveillance technologies use more than finally defining the limits, whereupon municipalities and counties will expand to fill those limits.

We both expect the issue to come back in 2015, and Chad Barefoot has promised me that I will see this addressed in a digital privacy bill that I will like next year. That remains to be seen. This thread will serve as a solid marker into the 2015 Session. A simple search in February will bring it up. In the interim, I would like to brainstorm on digital privacy rights and how to put them into a digital privacy bill that would be effective at the State level and move us back towards liberty.

 

[Keith and stuff]

But where are you going to go Gunny? This is happening everywhere. It is only a matter of time until it is contiguous across AmeriKa.

For those that may not know their rep here is an interactive site: http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/representation/whorepresentsme.aspx

It is only happening in 49 states. Widespread use of ALPR technology has been banned in New Hampshire since 2007. It was sponsored by a Republican in the Senate and passed the Democratically controlled Senate and Democratically controlled House. A Democratic governor signed it into law. The police tried to repeal the ban this year. The Democratically controlled NH House voted 250 to 97 against repealing the popular law, even though the sponsor of the bill was the House Majority Leader. NH is still the only state that has banned widespread use of this technology. Thankfully, some communities have abandoned it, like Boston, MA.

No need to give up if you don't like widespread use of this tech. You have two options. Move to New Hampshire or figure out what happened in NH/Boston/other cities and apply that to where you live.

 

[Tod]

Gotta keep up with Tennessee!

 

[devil21]

How much does this bill cost? Or is this another Central Powers DHS/et al Douches of Columbia fronting the stolen loot from federal debt/borrowing/taxes.


This is needed... so many damn terrorists all over NC.

Charlotte got all of their license plate scanners as part of the 'security' build-up to the 2012 DNC. All provided gratis by the feds. They're all over the place and they stand out because they look different than most surveillance cameras. Afaik they aren't in use yet....probably just waiting on this bill to pass.

Read the Amendment, folks.




This isn't Orwellian, it's a Democrat trying to do what Democrats claim to want to do.
i.e., add some checks on the state as it metastasizes.
The assumption here is that the cameras are going to go up, which is bad, but he's trying to put restrictions on them.

Again, I'd be more pleased if the amendment said unequivocally that license plate readers were banned, but on the whole, this amendment isn't patently evil.

I'd call it codifying the use of gov't tracking without warrants but ymmv.

 

[LibForestPaul]

paint ball guns = 200ft per second.

black, hard to photograph thru black paint

 

[presence]

Can you look us up some of the James Bond flip tags? That would help me out more than lobbying anyone ever did. Bad attitude I know, but these red pillz taste like doo doo.

Call it done homie!



http://plate-flipper.com/

http://www.amazon.com/Electric-Powered-License-Plate-Frame/dp/B001TLLZ4E

https://www.hornblasters.com/products/details.php?i=license-plate-flipper

http://www.hidetheplate.com/

 

[aclove]

This bill was killed today by the NC Senate Rules Committee. Big ups to Senator Thom Goolsby for leading the fight against this.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/07/23/4024173/roadside-cameras-bill-dies.html

 

[Kenso]

Plate scanning is already here in various NC municipalities. Too late basically unless someone passes a bill banning them.

http://www.wect.com/story/21430456/wrightsville-beach-officers-propose-new-license-plates-scanning-system

 

[Keith and stuff]

Plate scanning is already here in various NC municipalities. Too late basically unless someone passes a bill banning them.

Not just NC. It is common in 49 states! If someone wants to ban it in their state or city, the groundwork has already been laid in NH and Boston. Just learn what we did and follow our lead. It's been banned for 7 years where I live and that's still the popular position of the masses. This is a winning issue for candidates!

 

[FindLiberty]

Strike at the root through the legislative process, not like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrmXoQN0a3U

 

[DFF]

Plate scanning....what's next? Chips implanted like Aaron Russo said?

 

[Pericles]

Can you look us up some of the James Bond flip tags? That would help me out more than lobbying anyone ever did. Bad attitude I know, but these red pillz taste like doo doo.

I know they are tough to find, but subsonic .22 LR should do the do nicely.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Plate scanning....what's next? Chips implanted like Aaron Russo said?

Unelected bureaucrats in Texas have moved forward with the next step. They have created a statewide database for everyone in Texas and they intend on putting everyone's face and all 10 finger prints of everyone in the database. It is much worse than the widespread use of automatic license plate readers. Unfortunately, that is also legal in Texas. It also has red light cameras, I believe http://www.photoenforced.com/texas.html

 

[Pericles]

Unelected bureaucrats in Texas have moved forward with the next step. They have created a statewide database for everyone in Texas and they intend on putting everyone's face and all 10 finger prints of everyone in the database. It is much worse than the widespread use of automatic license plate readers. Unfortunately, that is also legal in Texas. It also has red light cameras, I believe http://www.photoenforced.com/texas.html

Noe try - that is a DHS program

 

[phill4paul]

Unelected bureaucrats in Texas have moved forward with the next step. They have created a statewide database for everyone in Texas and they intend on putting everyone's face and all 10 finger prints of everyone in the database. It is much worse than the widespread use of automatic license plate readers. Unfortunately, that is also legal in Texas. It also has red light cameras, I believe http://www.photoenforced.com/texas.html

Just a heads up... the 10 finger prints are at this point voluntary though you will not be told this. I expect it to quietly become mandatory in the next coupla years.

The amendments also refer to 521.042(b), which states the following:
(b) The application must include:
(1) the thumbprints of the applicant or, if thumbprints cannot be taken, the index fingerprints of the applicant;
So, there's no legal backing to Vinger's claims. Sure, the DPS is technically permitted to collect all 10 prints, but only because nothing specifically forbids this practice. But the law does not demand all 10 prints be provided in order to obtain a license or identification card. The law only asks for thumbprints or index prints.

This is why it was rolled out quietly. The DPS has no legal "authority" to demand a full set of prints before handing out a license. What it can do, however, is ask for them. At this point, supplying a full set of prints is purely voluntary. The DPS can't prevent you from obtaining a license if you refuse, but the whole system is set up to make it appear as though it's mandatory.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...l-set-prints-drivers-license-applicants.shtml

 

[Keith and stuff]

Just a heads up... the 10 finger prints are at this point voluntary though you will not be told this. I expect it to quietly become mandatory in the next coupla years.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...l-set-prints-drivers-license-applicants.shtml

There are many articles about it being required, even though requiring it is against the law. The people doing it don't care about the law. They want to arrest you and I and everyone living in Texas and will break whatever laws that have to if it means they can expand the prison population! Or maybe they just don't want liberty people to ever vote again? Is this really Rick Perry's idea? Like how he is against open carry except for government workers. Sorry, maybe I'm getting carried away

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-this-legal-plus-the-other-states-that-do-it/

http://wwlp.com/2014/07/19/dps-requiring-all-10-fingerprints-when-drivers-renew-license/

http://www.newsmax.com/US/texas-fingerprinting-residents-legality/2014/07/15/id/582896/

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...is-necessary-for-texas-drivers-licenses.html/

 

[phill4paul]

There are many articles about it being required, even though requiring it is against the law. The people doing it don't care about the law. They want to arrest you and I and everyone living in Texas and will break whatever laws that have to if it means they can expand the prison population! Or maybe they just don't want liberty people to ever vote again? Is this really Rick Perry's idea? Like how is against open carry except for government workers.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-this-legal-plus-the-other-states-that-do-it/

http://wwlp.com/2014/07/19/dps-requiring-all-10-fingerprints-when-drivers-renew-license/

http://www.newsmax.com/US/texas-fingerprinting-residents-legality/2014/07/15/id/582896/

http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/...is-necessary-for-texas-drivers-licenses.html/

Sounds to me like a Texas activist needs to challenge it and if refused a license take it to court.

 

[Carlybee]

Who decides these laws?

 

[Pericles]

Who decides these laws?

They are not laws. they are regulations, which is even more perfidious.

http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy_pia_cbp_nii_jan2014.pdf

Part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s (CBP) mission is to facilitate legitimate international trade. The Non -Intrusive Inspection (NII) Systems Program furthers this mission by providing technologies to inspect and screen conveyances or cars, trucks, railcars, sea containers, as well as personal luggage, packages, parcels, and flat mail through either x-ray or gamma-ray imaging systems . CBP Officers use NII systems to help them effectively and efficiently detect and prevent contraband, including drugs, unreported currency, guns, ammunition, and other illegal merchandise, as well as inadmissible persons, from being smuggled into the United States, while having a minimal impact on the flow of legitimate travel and commerce. The imaging system used on the conveyance itself collects photographic and other images that may contain personally identifiable information (PII) , such as vehicle identifiers (e.g. license plate numbers). CBP is conducting this Privacy Impact Assessment (PIA) pursuant to Section 208 of the E-Government Act of 2002 1, because NII systems use information technology to collect, maintain, and disseminate PII in the form of scanned, photographic, or video images. However, NII cannot retrieve the PII by personal identifier (e.g., name); therefore use of NII does not require CBP to conduct a system of records notice pursuant to the Privacy Act of 1974.