North Carolina Bans Gay Marriage

[Hyperion]

We should be moving to ban state involvement in marriage to begin with.

I would get behind this 100% as it's the best way to handle this in a manner that's fair to everyone involved. Unfortunately, I just don't see any groundswell movement for this to occur but maybe we should start it.

As for the equality issue, should incest and polygamy be legally recognized as well? I don't. Marriage has historically been clearly between a man and woman for obvious reasons. Having said that I don't believe in legal punishment for those who engage in such behavior and this bill doesn't advocate that. It's simply the state won't recognize it.

The states do have a right to make their own laws. I disagree strongly with the laws in Vermont, Mass.,NY etc.. but they have a right to make them under the 10th Amendment just as North Carolina and other states have done here.

 

[matt0611]

would be OK to amend the state constitution to ban only a certain race from getting married?

if not, who is that different?
if yes, we understand liberty different.

Probably not no because its discriminating against a certain class of humans. The marriage institution itself is defined as being between a man and a woman. As long as you don't say what class of people can participate in it then I don't see a problem with it, no.

 

[Kelly.]

lol, it sounds like you are saying women and men have different rights, which i dont agree with.

liberty: easy to talk about, hard to live.

good luck to you.

 

[Dianne]

Raleigh Swat Team evicts homeowner

 

[Lishy]

Why should a state decide who can marry who anyways? Kinda silly... I mean, I don't care what their sex life is like, as long as they don't do it in front of me. But why CAN'T gays marry!?

 

[Kelly.]

Why should a state decide who can marry who anyways? Kinda silly... I mean, I don't care what their sex life is like, as long as they don't do it in front of me. But why CAN'T gays marry!?

because in NC, you not only marry your spouse, you also marry government.

liberty can also move in reverse, at the will of the people of course.

 

[chudrockz]

Just because NC may have banned gay marriage, doesn't mean that NC has prohibited men from sticking their sex organs up other men's rectums.

Why should the act of men sticking their sex organs up other men's rectums be called "marriage"?

But women sticking "whatever it is they may stick" up each others' sex organs is just fine, right?

I guess the state of Minnesota might have to nullify my marriage to my wife. She (gasp) put her MOUTH on my sex organ recently! The horror. It didn't result in procreation!

I guess in the end I just have no comprehension whatsoever why some people, even some purporting to love liberty, get so damned hung up to the point of distration with what kind of sex other people are having. It's silly.

 

[Pericles]

Reading this thread and seeing the various responses from libertarians, who are typically far more logical than the average joe, leads me to believe that people's opinions on gay marriage more than any other issue are largely emotionally based and rarely thought out. Maybe that's because gay marriage was never really about rights, but more about acceptance.

Agree There are wide ranging implications of defining marriage as a right, rather than as as means of maintaining legal bonds between parents and offspring and the attendant property rights.

Marriage as a fundamental rught, implies it can't be limited to two people, incest statutes can no longer apply as they are violations of fundamental rights, and some think through on the legal ramifications (especially polygimy) seems to be lacking.

 

[osan]

Maybe it's because they realize that the government ought not sanction, license, and put it's stamp of approval on... deviant behavior.

It definitely has nothing to do with this. I doubt Joe Average from NC possesses the intellectual sophistication to dope this idea out for himself.

Maybe it's because they haven't had their brain turn to mush by willfully absorbing the idiotic and never-ending flood of propaganda which wants to tell them that man-man butt-sex is wonderful, cute, sexy, and sweet.

This may be partly true, though I do not agree with the mush bit. You're giving far too much credit to the indolent numbskulls that infest that particular tract of US real estate. They apparently are incapable of separating their personal preferences from the instruments of general governance. Because THEY don't like it, ban it for all. Those people are idiots of the lowest order. They are lovers of the pretty slavery they choose to call "freedom". They reside in the prisons they build around themselves. Let them rot there for all I could give a damn. My contempt for those people knows no limit, just as their self-imposed stupidity knows none.

 

[Lishy]

because in NC, you not only marry your spouse, you also marry government.

liberty can also move in reverse, at the will of the people of course.

Because America was founded upon Christian values, amrite?

 

[muzzled dogg]

Down south fail

 

[osan]

Don't live in North Carolina.

What in hell kind of a fucking bullshit response is this? Seriously... I see so much of this nonsense here by people who claim to be advocates of liberty. What a load of crap.

If I were living in NC for many decades, had a huge investment in friends, family, real estate, business, politics, and so forth, I see NO REASON WHATSOEVER that I should be forced into making the decision to move away or suffer some tyrant's whim and caprice, regardless whether I am straight, as gay as the lilies, or for any other reason you may care to name.

The answer is NEVER to move away. It is to DO AWAY with tyranny in every form and of every degree no matter how seemingly innocuous. Until that happens, all talk of being free is an exercise in bullshit.

Jesus sprinting across the face of the deep, people... get your heads our of your intellectual anuses. Stop fucking with people and stop advocating that those who are being treated shabbily pick up and move away. That has got to be right up there with the recommendation that the woman just lie back and enjoy being raped, for utter stupidity.

 

[Dissent]

At least it was the citizens of the state doing the voting. I agree there. But I think the bigger picture is the fact that government needs to get the hell out of marriage period. Then there would be no big to do about ANYONE'S marriage. Straight or Gay. I personally don't care for gay folks but to each their own. I just don't see why government has the right to tell us who we can and can not marry. Marriage should be a contract between 2 people with their church or just between themselves.

 

[osan]

Because most homophobia comes from a person having their masculinity threatened. This do0esn't include someone who just doesn't like gays though. Its one thing to not like homosexuality its a whole nother thing to actively seek to ban or ostracize it.

The more a guy rails against gay, the more I suspect he is latent and hating life.

 

[Lishy]

Aren't homophobic people technically closet gays themselves? I mean, come on...

What guy DOESN'T want hot lesbian-bisexual chicks and walking the streets!?

Anyone who is against this, are gay!!!!

 

[V3n]

I understand it's "States Rights" or "majority ruled" but isn't this one of those occasions where having a Republic form of government is better than the pure Democracy..? I may not be using those words right, but what I mean is this..

If they have a vote, and 60% of the people agree to a bill that says "You have the duty to punch people who have red hair squarely in the face every time you see one." Ok, the bill passes, and you might say, "If you have red hair, just don't live in North Carolina." but that doesn't take away the fact that the folks with red hair's Rights are being violated!

This may have passed popular vote, but I pray the folks with the power to strike this down, do so quickly!

 

[dillo]

Country is 15 trillion in debt

come out in droves to vote against gay marriage

 

[Cowlesy]

This thread is going to go nowhere.

Some people are okay with it, some people aren't. In the political system you have, voters get to make the choice. So that's how they choose. If you don't like it, leave, or convince the voters to change their minds. Or change the political system so that you can have your way.

You'll never make every single human being okay with total liberty. Never has happened, never will.

 

[Beorn]

I understand it's "States Rights" or "majority ruled" but isn't this one of those occasions where having a Republic form of government is better than the pure Democracy..? I may not be using those words right, but what I mean is this..

If they have a vote, and 60% of the people agree to a bill that says "You have the duty to punch people who have red hair squarely in the face every time you see one." Ok, the bill passes, and you might say, "If you have red hair, just don't live in North Carolina." but that doesn't take away the fact that the folks with red hair's Rights are being violated!

This may have passed popular vote, but I pray the folks with the power to strike this down, do so quickly!

You want a judge to strike down an ammendment to a constitution?

 

[dannno]

That Don Lapre died last October.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lapre

Whoa, didn't just die, committed suicide!

His work involved product packages such as "The Greatest Vitamin in the World" and "Making Money Secrets".

Lapre was criticized as selling questionable business plans that often did not work for his clients. In June 2011, Lapre was charged with 41 counts of conspiracy, mail fraud, wire fraud, and promotional money laundering related to his Internet businesses. He was arrested on June 24, 2011, for failing to appear in court to face these charges.[2] On October 2, 2011, Lapre died of an apparent suicide while awaiting trial in federal custody.