Noam Chomsky 2b Interviewed 2nite about Ron Paul and the Libertarian Movement

I mean, sometimes I agree with him. I think we have to end the war in
Afghanistan. But, if you look at the other policies, I mean, it's kind of
shocking and principles that lie behind them (shakes head)....I don't know
what to say about them.

He doesn't know what to say about them, because they don't come from the typical "right wing" perspective that he is used to attacking. They are logically consistent and do not leave gaping holes open for a leftist to counter.

When a so-called "intellectual" claims that he/she is "speechless" to explain something that has consequences counter to their world-view, it is a casual admission that they are correct and just don't want to talk about them.
 
The guy is just a communist with fancy rhetoric. He's good at dazzling ignorant people with sophisticated propaganda, and also knows how to apply social pressure so that people seek his approval and conform to his views. I wish people who like Ron Paul and freedom would stop talking about people like him and Dennis Kucinich, they suck.
 
@Conza88

For him Bolivia is a real democracy while US is some kinda` corpocracy aka fascism which is not that far from the truth in a way.

He sees corporations as leeches that take away money from the common folk. What people like him fail to understand is that a corporation will eventually generate employment and won`t just sit on the cash they make. Corporations also tend to be WAY more efficient than governments.
Of course, there`s the real issue of when certain corporations become too large and live off governments(corpocracy/fascism), getting subsidies, bailouts and all the good stuff. This is the reason, however, why governments need to be as small as possible, so that such major influence won`t be able to take hold.

Hahaha, you don't need to convince me...

But yes, none the less.
 
The Chomsky interview starts at 5 eastern, 6 central, 7 mountain, and 8 Pacific.

If the stream is in real time for all time zones, could it possibly be the other way around? i.e. 5 PST...8 EST?


update: I think I found the site but I don't see anything about Chomsky. Plus I got some radio show at the link there. But it does also say that the stream is Sunday from 5 PM to 7 PM Chicago time. So wouldn't that be 3 PM to 5 PM Pacific and 6 PM to 8 PM Eastern?

Is this it:?

http://veteransunplugged.com/theshow/listenlive

another update: weird...the link above that doesn't seem to work appears to be exactly the same URL here that does work. Any computer geniuses care to comment on this phenomena?
 
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A Chomsky-Paul debate would be EPICCCC. I've enjoyed listening to Chomsky speak many a times so it's interesting to learn that he doesn't endorse Paul's views. I think it'd be great to listen to them go back and forth.
 
Chomsky isn't anarcho-anything anymore. He's a full-blown authoritarian leftist. He's quite intelligent, but he's not a real intellectual, because he doesn't actually base his worldview on his intellect. Instead, his whole outlook is predicated on an entirely prejudicial hatred of anything he associates with the "right wing." He'll endorse virtually any kind of tyranny, as long as it's "left wing" enough for him (the Democrats are too capitalist for him though), and he brings his full brainpower to bear to defend this ideology - and the myth of his "intellectual" persona - in a closed feedback loop. Pinochet? Evil of course...but only because he was right-wing. Pol Pot? Oh, he was "misunderstood." Chomsky likes defending a brutal communist dictator who killed anyone remotely educated for being too educated, and who would have killed him without a thought and slept like a baby. This isn't the worldview of an intellectual...it's the worldview of a completely unreasonable and emotionally driven partisan. (Have we only heard a one-sided, highly propagandized, and even fictional account of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia? Perhaps, and I wouldn't put anything past our propaganda machine...but any kind of revisionist history coming from Chomsky is likely to be worthless, because he is virtually guaranteed to include and omit facts exclusively on the basis of extreme bias.)

Chomsky uses his near-genius IQ as a mere blackbox tool instead of actually using it for introspection or reflection. He's capable of some brilliant insights regarding US foreign policy and our media culture, but he's only willing to look in those areas because they help him justify what really drives him: his prejudices. He could have been a real intellectual, and he's certainly smart enough for it, but his ego has gotten so out of control that he will never live up to the potential he might have once had. He's become too arrogant and closed-minded, and it's shows not only in his aloof defense of left-wing totalitarians, but also in the haughty, dismissive, and intellectually dishonest way he debates people. I've read enough of his criticisms of "American libertarians" (or, um...real libertarians) to know he'll never face our actual views...only straw men.

Let him attack Ron Paul if it feeds his ego, or let him defend Ron Paul if he's afraid of losing his relevance. It doesn't matter to me. I feel a bit guilty about ranting like this, but he's such a self-serving tool in my eyes, and I'm tired of hearing about him.

SPOT ON!...and sums up the sanctimonious ecofriendly moral fallcy that is Portland where he resides.
 
I think chomsky railing against paul would be the best we could get.... all negative... then you can use it to say "Ron Paul isnt going to .... yadda yadda yadda"

One of those "oh I thought thats what was gonna happen under Paul,,,, apparently not... maybe I should consider him" a screed would be bettter than a "i love the guy... dont agree on everything" at this point
 
He doesn't know what to say about them, because they don't come from the typical "right wing" perspective that he is used to attacking. They are logically consistent and do not leave gaping holes open for a leftist to counter.

When a so-called "intellectual" claims that he/she is "speechless" to explain something that has consequences counter to their world-view, it is a casual admission that they are correct and just don't want to talk about them.
Well said... Chomsky and the like actaully had me considering myself a "liberal" conservative at one point, because they do a fine job of exposing globalist corruption that many others won't touch. But as I've noticed from globalresearch.ca, a very solid source for globalization articles (albeit again left-leaning), but they simply don't even know how to address Paul, so they just ignore him like the media does.

Blame partisanship here, but I think some of the comments here about supposed "agendas" about people like Chomsky are as misguided as are their ideas about government's roles. They see many of the same problems we see with the world, we just have differences in how we address them. Yes, their solutinos are misguided, but Dr. Paul realizes that we're on the same team with regard to what's important (I just wish they realized it a little more).

(ETA: though I haven't listened to this piece yet, and so my opinion may be misguided as well)
 
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Looking forward to this. Chomsky is always worth listening to.

Don't understand what all the hate is about, especially on these forums. They're both libertarians. Economically they are opposite, but on the Authoritarian/Libertarian scale they are pretty close.
 
Looking forward to this. Chomsky is always worth listening to.

Don't understand what all the hate is about, especially on these forums. They're both libertarians. Economically they are opposite, but on the Authoritarian/Libertarian scale they are pretty close.

Um, is Michael Moore a libertarian too?
 
I had to turn it off after about 10 minutes. Chomsky sounds astonishingly clueless here. Ron Paul did not approve of Israel bombing Iran, he simply didn't condemn it because to do so is interventionist. And Chomsky's notion that a corporation would be more tyrannical over a state government than the Federal government shows a shockingly immature understanding of economics. Factors of production can flee a corrupt state to a non-corrupt state. It was just one thing after another. I suppose it would be good fodder for sharpening your debate skills with inane statist arguments.
 
I had to turn it off after about 10 minutes.

Yeah! Nothing like closing yourself off to differing opinions!


Chomsky sounds astonishingly clueless here. Ron Paul did not approve of Israel bombing Iran, he simply didn't condemn it because to do so is interventionist.

Really? Condemning an action would be interventionist? So if China nuked the shit out of Canada or Mexico Ron Paul would have to remain silent out of fear of being "interventionist"?

Approving or condemning an act is different than physically intervening. You do understand that, right?


And Chomsky's notion that a corporation would be more tyrannical over a state government than the Federal government shows a shockingly immature understanding of economics.

It wouldn't be cheaper and easier to focus on a smaller government than a larger one?
 
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