Noah's Ark Allegedly Found in Turkey

[nate895]

Answers in Genesis response:

Every few years we hear of claims that Noah’s Ark (or what may remain of it) has been found on the mountains of Ararat in Turkey. Over the weekend, a press conference was held in Hong Kong where it was announced that explorers were almost certain they had found the remains of the Ark. Answers in Genesis has seen many photos that were released, but without corroboration by the leading creationist organizations and not knowing all the research methods that were employed, we will withhold judgment until further study. Over the decades, we have learned to be cautious about such Ark claims.

We have no doubt, however, that there once was a massive Ark that served as a vessel of salvation during a global Flood and landed on the mountains of Ararat, as recorded in the book of Genesis.

We may have more to report on this claim in our regular News to Note feature this weekend.

 

[Fox McCloud]

Answers in Genesis response:

Every few years we hear of claims that Noah’s Ark (or what may remain of it) has been found on the mountains of Ararat in Turkey. Over the weekend, a press conference was held in Hong Kong where it was announced that explorers were almost certain they had found the remains of the Ark. Answers in Genesis has seen many photos that were released, but without corroboration by the leading creationist organizations and not knowing all the research methods that were employed, we will withhold judgment until further study. Over the decades, we have learned to be cautious about such Ark claims.

We have no doubt, however, that there once was a massive Ark that served as a vessel of salvation during a global Flood and landed on the mountains of Ararat, as recorded in the book of Genesis.

We may have more to report on this claim in our regular News to Note feature this weekend.

that's pretty much what I'm holding to, right now....I really have doubts the ark is still around; it seems highly likely that Noah and his family would have consumed it for fuel and/or shelter.

 

[nate895]

that's pretty much what I'm holding to, right now....I really have doubts the ark is still around; it seems highly likely that Noah and his family would have consumed it for fuel and/or shelter.

I was in a debate earlier this year at my speech and debate club over this issue, and that was my exact point when my opponent attacked creationism (particularly YECism) on the grounds that we hadn't found Noah's Ark.

 

[Mini-Me]

I may not be a Christian, but I hope this discovery turns out to be genuine. As torchbearer said in his impressive tl;dr volley, there are just so many coinciding ancient tales of a great flood, that I think it'd be more surprising if they didn't point to a real historical occurrence. It'd be awesome to get such monumental hard evidence like this in our lifetimes.

 

[Krugerrand]

LOL. Where's the pics of that behemouth boat? All I see is some small interior of "something". The headline should read "Pedophilia within the church being exposed so we are drudging up that old red herring yet again in hopes to divert the sheeple's attention"

Yeah. The Chinese are really concerned about the church's image.

Your reference to "pedophilia within the church being exposed" shows you to be among the "sheeple." Otherwise you'd wonder why rehashing old news stores counts as "exposed." Or, you might wonder why pedophilia in other more common places is not "exposed." Or, you might wonder why the term pedophilia is often incorrectly applied. Or - you might simply believe what the media feeds you like the other good "sheeple."

 

[Zippyjuan]

At this point, what we seem to have is an unknown wooden structure. It is still unknown if it is even a boat. There are some reports of mistakes in the carbon dating which indicate the wood may be only 1400 years old. It will tke time for more reliable information to come forth. Previous "discoveries" proved to be false. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/27/2280442.aspx

Has Turkey been flooded by over 13,000 feet of water in the last five or ten thousand years? Is there enough water in the entire world to do that (if say all the glaciers and polar caps melted)?
This article on global warming estimates that if the polar ice caps melted the sea levels would rise.. 200 (hundered) feet. A long ways from 13,000 feet. And you only had forty days to get that water piled up.

If the whole world flooded to that depth what about plants which the animals would have needed to feed on and to create oxygen? That depth of water would have severe impacts on life under water too. The floods would wash dirt and silt into the water. The mere depth of the water would have two effects- first would be the tremendous pressure of the weight of all that water. Second is the decrease in light to the sea floors. Bottom dwellers would be wiped out as well as most under water plants which would again cause species which relied on them to die as well. And the larger fishes who relied on them as a food source. Sure some varieties of fish who swim would swim higher with the rising water but they would be losing their food supplies. In the oceans, salinity levels would drop significantly through dilution from all that freah water being added (rain is not salty water). That too would have a major impact on sea life. Aside from the salt problem, fresh water lakes and rivers would also lose most if not all of their life for the same reasons as the oceans.

I should perhaps add that I do not take all of the Bible literally. It does use allegory and parables to tell stories and share messages. There certainly would have been ancient floods. And they may have covered much of the "known world" of some people with stories of these events passed down orally for generations with changes made in them over time. But did they cover all the entire world? (There is a popular experiment on story telling- whisper a story into the ear of one person who retells it to somebody else. Do this thorugh say ten peopel and by the time it gets back to you the story is completely different).

It will be interesting to see just what they have actually found. It could still be a significant find even if it is not the Ark.

 

[TER]

At this point, what we seem to have is an unknown wooden structure. It is still unknown if it is even a boat. There are some reports of mistakes in the carbon dating which indicate the wood may be only 1400 years old. It will tke time for more reliable information to come forth. Previous "discoveries" proved to be false. http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/27/2280442.aspx

Has Turkey been flooded by over 13,000 feet of water in the last five or ten thousand years?

That blog article is very fair in my opinion and it is quite clear from the reports out so far there is much more investigating needed to determine what exactly this wooden structure is buried under ice and snow 14000 feet up the mountain. The update he posted about the wood samples being dated only 1400 years is weak to say the least. The scientist mentioned does not argue the technique used in the carbon dating but questions if it was done correctly. Well, that's an honest question. Hopefully more testing will be done by independent labs. Also, he mentions wood 'taken from Ararat' that dated to 1400 years ago. Is he referring to wood taken from this new site? It isn't made clear in the article.

 

[axiomata]

This may be a silly question, but can wood actually last this long without decomposing? Assuming it isn't fossilized of course.

 

[TER]

BTW, I wandered off to the Huffington Post to see what they were commenting on regarding this news (yeah, I know, big mistake!), and all I can say is wow. The vitriol and mockery (which I would guess is over 90% of the comments) were astounding.

 

[Zippyjuan]

This may be a silly question, but can wood actually last this long without decomposing? Assuming it isn't fossilized of course.

Not a silly question but if it is under proper conditions, wood can last for incredible amounts of time. Look at some of the Egyptian mummy coffins. Ice can seal in and protect the wood. Despite snow and ice it is also ususally very dry at those altitudes and dry helps protect wood and things to last very long times.

This article describes finding wood as old as much as 12,000 years old! http://mdc.mo.gov/conmag/2003/01/10.htm

 

[Perry]

At the very least a wooden city at 11,000+ feet is an astounding and unique find. Are there such things as wooden cities?
If not then what else can this be?

 

[TER]

At the very least a wooden city at 11,000+ feet is an astounding and unique find. Are there such things as wooden cities?
If not then what else can this be?

We'll know more as more is uncovered, but one possibility is that it is an ancient temple or place of worship.

 

[specsaregood]

They talked about this on coast to coast am last night in the first hour.
You can get an archive of that here:
Hour 1: http://vaca.bayradio.com/ksfo_archives/player.php?day=2&hour=23
It starts about 19minutes into the recording.

 

[ruthie]

Thanks for that site, Dr3D. Maybe the first find was just one of the lifeboats? hoho

 

[RedStripe]

 

[torchbearer]

lol

the jurasic park version.
during the summoning of the animals, the last remaining dinosaurs arrive.

 

[PatriotOne]

Yeah. The Chinese are really concerned about the church's image.

Your reference to "pedophilia within the church being exposed" shows you to be among the "sheeple." Otherwise you'd wonder why rehashing old news stores counts as "exposed." Or, you might wonder why pedophilia in other more common places is not "exposed." Or, you might wonder why the term pedophilia is often incorrectly applied. Or - you might simply believe what the media feeds you like the other good "sheeple."

What does the Chinese as a whole have to do with this? These are the people who claims to of discovered Noah's Ark.

http://noahsark-ministries.com/about.htm

Noah's Ark Ministries is a non-profit group who strongly believes in ministering to all of God's children. We work with several organizations within our community to show the love of God to all. Our ministry works with The House of Hope, Johnston County Head Start, and Johnston County Occupational Industry Training.

I'll assume you know about as much about pedophilia within the church as you do your first erroneous statement............