No Treason by Lysander Sponner (Civil War issue)

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No Treason, by Lysander Spooner (1867)

The question of treason is distinct from that of slavery; and is the same that it would have been, if free States, instead of slave States, had seceded.

On the part of the North, the war was carried on, not to liberate slaves, but by a government that had always perverted and violated the Constitution, to keep the slaves in bondage; and was still willing to do so, if the slaveholders could be thereby induced to stay in the Union.

The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals.

No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle --- but only in degree --- between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man's ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and [*iv] asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure.

Previous to the war, there were some grounds for saying that --- in theory, at least, if not in practice --- our government was a free one; that it rested on consent. But nothing of that kind can be said now, if the principle on which the war was carried on by the North, is irrevocably established.

If that principle be not the principle of the Constitution, the fact should be known. If it be the principle of the Constitution, the Constitution itself should be at once overthrown.

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/notreason.htm


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Very long paper. Just read the introduction and thought it was very good.
 
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Great post. This is why Paul said what he did about the civil war. It makes no difference though to post anything in the past that may be truth. Up is down, black is white and the truth doesn't matter any longer. All true history is being purged in order to further their agenda.

The Patriot act is the same as threatening the States that wanted out of the Big un- constitutional Fed union by Lincoln.
 
I still find it hard to believe that so many so-called libertarians go so far out of their way to oppose a war which ended slavery while pointedly ignoring history in the process.

The North did not start the war and there was no way that slavery could be ended gradually once the South seceded. The entire reason the South seceded was specifically to stop the gradual abolition of slavery. If the Union had been preserved, slavery was doomed. If you doubt the obvious, just go read the secession documents. It is all there is black and white, literally and figuratively.

Prattling on about liberty while engaging in a de-facto defense of the continuation slavery is absurd.
 
Thomas DiLorenzo, reccomended by Ron Paul the other day, says Spooner defended the South. That's not really true.

Spooner rightly rejected the Union's claim of authority over the South. What DiLorenzo fails to mention however is that Spooner raised money to finance an invasion of the South by John Brown. That's some defense of the South, isn't it?

Criticism of the tyranical Lincoln, entirely justified in itself, does not justify apologism for the Confederacy as practiced by DiLorenzo and others at lewrockwell.com.
 
Thomas DiLorenzo, reccomended by Ron Paul the other day, says Spooner defended the South. That's not really true.

Spooner rightly rejected the Union's claim of authority over the South. What DiLorenzo fails to mention however is that Spooner raised money to finance an invasion of the South by John Brown. That's some defense of the South, isn't it?

Criticism of the tyranical Lincoln, entirely justified in itself, does not justify apologism for the Confederacy as practiced by DiLorenzo and others at lewrockwell.com.


"I still find it hard to believe that so many so-called libertarians go so far out of their way to oppose a war which ended slavery while pointedly ignoring history in the process.

The North did not start the war and there was no way that slavery could be ended gradually once the South seceded. The entire reason the South seceded was specifically to stop the gradual abolition of slavery. If the Union had been preserved, slavery was doomed. If you doubt the obvious, just go read the secession documents. It is all there is black and white, literally and figuratively.

Prattling on about liberty while engaging in a de-facto defense of the continuation slavery is absurd.
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I would recommend that you read Spooner's, The Unconstitutionality of Slavery. Spooner wasn't defending "the South" but was defending the principle of secession. He had the perfect libertarian position. Support the right of slaves to revolt and kill their masters while at the same time supporting the right to secession.

John T. Kennedy,

The war did not end slavery. To paraphrase Spooner, it increased the number of slaves. If you cannot voluntarily leave a political organization then you are a slave. As far as slavery being doomed if the Union were preserved, I think you have it backwards. Before the War, slaves had to escape to Canada to be safe. Being in the North still left them at the mercy of the Fugitive Slave Act. If the "North" became a separate country without slavery, there would be a far greater incentive to escape and find sanctuary in the North. Some of the northern abolitionists actually proposed having the North secede from the South. Just something to think about.
 
John T. Kennedy,

The war did not end slavery. To paraphrase Spooner, it increased the number of slaves. If you cannot voluntarily leave a political organization then you are a slave. As far as slavery being doomed if the Union were preserved, I think you have it backwards. Before the War, slaves had to escape to Canada to be safe. Being in the North still left them at the mercy of the Fugitive Slave Act. If the "North" became a separate country without slavery, there would be a far greater incentive to escape and find sanctuary in the North. Some of the northern abolitionists actually proposed having the North secede from the South. Just something to think about.

I can't imagine what you're responding to in my post. What precisely did I have backwards?
 
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