No Ron Paul? Veteran voting Obama so tyranny kicks the public in the teeth

[osan]

Absolutely right about a RHINO putting americans back to sleep. I will just not vote and may the chains of tyranny rest lightly(or heavily) upon americans who were too arrogant to end the wars and the lies.

Chains? What chains? Ask "them" about their chains and you will get this response, and a look as if you were psychotic.

The proportion of Americans that are hopelessly lost is disturbingly close to a majority.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Ive maintained this as my position too.. if its not RP then Im voting for Obama

 

[TheTexan]

Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. Certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bull shit three ring circus sideshow of freaks.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Foreign aid probably constitutes 10% of actual aid given to Israel. If Ron were invited to that place, he would laugh. How long are people going to say "he is playing them, he is one of us", instead of considering "he is playing us, he is one of them"

You think so, do you? What makes you so sure? Ron Paul will talk to just about anyone. That doesn't mean he will sway his votes. There is a huge difference.

Now, I'm not against the guy, but there is a lot to be concerned about. This unquestioning belief in him is amazing to me.

Yes, he is amazing when it comes to fiscal matters, and mostly civil liberties, but he hasn't really defined his foreign policy.

It is duly noted and filed away, as are a lot of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with talking to someone. You talk to neocons and other socialists, don't you? Does that mean you are one of them?

We will find out soon enough about Rand in the way he votes. We should watch everyone and that has always included Ron too. No one gets a pass. But, I'm also not going to jump to a conclusion and start throwing mud at a man for merely talking to someone.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Some say the end is near. Some say we'll see armageddon soon. Certainly hope we will. I sure could use a vacation from this bull shit three ring circus sideshow of freaks.

Uh, no you don't want to see "armageddon".

This isn't a video game we are playing, you know.

 

[bluesc]

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You think so, do you? What makes you so sure? Ron Paul will talk to just about anyone. That doesn't mean he will sway his votes. There is a huge difference.

I don't think he would speak to the Zionists, there would be absolutely nothing they could agree on and they would not hesitate to assassinate him. Would he go and speak to a group that advocate and influence politicians into supporting sending young Americans to kill Muslims in the US? That is essentially what AIPAC do, except abroad.

It is duly noted and filed away, as are a lot of things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with talking to someone. You talk to neocons and other socialists, don't you? Does that mean you are one of them?

They aren't directly influencing the US government to send young Americans to die for Israel. They may see the wars as just, but not in that way. If they actually see an Israeli life as more important than an American one, they are a lost cause.

We will find out soon enough about Rand in the way he votes. We should watch everyone and that has always included Ron too. No one gets a pass. But, I'm also not going to jump to a conclusion and start throwing mud at a man for merely talking to someone.

I didn't sling mud at him. I said I had lost enthusiasm because he is pandering to Zionists and neocons. His signing of a letter in support of sanctions on Iran puzzled me too. I said I'm not against him, but his actions are highly questionable.

 

[LawnWake]

How viable is rand as a replacement to ron?
as a percentage how similiar is he?

I think quite a few people are rather doubtful about him. Not everyone here can agree on Rand.. I'd much rather push the Judge or Tom Woods. If we don't, the liberty movement will splinter up because most people in it are either too paleo/Jesus for some, or too hippie/alternative to others. And guys like the judge and Tom Woods are accessible to all types of libertarians. Rand tries too balance his libertarian beliefs too much with neo-con ones.

 

[RIPLEYMOM]

Join or die, gotta love it!

 

[JoshLowry]

bump

abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/cain-says-the-flip-flopping-proves-hes-presidential/

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?325781-Blunders-quot-make-me-look-presidential-quot

 

[jbuttell]

As much as his heart may be in the right place, I strongly disagree with people who think they can play such a risky game and think they honestly have a clue what will consequently happen.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I also think it would be better if Obama beat a RINO; that would send the message that the GOP lost because they nominated another moderate like McCain.

Personally, I am going to vote for a third party candidate and encourage everyone I know to do so if Ron Paul isn't the candidate. If more people vote but don't vote for Obama or the fake conservative, the message is stronger.

What message?

The people pulling the strings at the top really don't care if we decide not to vote or if we go 3rd Party. In fact, it just makes their job easier.

 

[silentshout]

If RP is not the nominee, and doesn't run third party, I will vote third party.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I don't think he would speak to the Zionists, there would be absolutely nothing they could agree on and they would not hesitate to assassinate him. Would he go and speak to a group that advocate and influence politicians into supporting sending young Americans to kill Muslims in the US? That is essentially what AIPAC do, except abroad.

Be careful there. You are painting with a broad brush. I have never ever heard Ron Paul or Rand Paul say that they did not believe that Israel did not have a right to exist. If you have, please show it.

Surely, you do not believe that every Jew who lives in Israel, or every Christian who lives in America who strongly believes that Israel absolutely should exist, hates the Pauls and wouldn't hesitate to assassinate them? That's really over the top, dude.

Zionism (Hebrew: ציונות‎, Tsiyonut) is a Jewish political movement that, in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

 

[bluesc]

Be careful there. You are painting with a broad brush. I have never ever heard Ron Paul or Rand Paul say that they did not believe that Israel did not have a right to exist. If you have, please show it.

Surely, you do not believe that every Jew who lives in Israel, or every Christian who lives in America who strongly believes that Israel absolutely should exist, hates the Pauls and wouldn't hesitate to assassinate them? That's really over the top, dude.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

You know exactly what was quoted, and was even in my quote. You were talking about AIPAC, I was talking about AIPAC, that is where the conversation originated.

zi·on·ism/ˈzīəˌnizəm/
Noun:
A movement for (originally) the reestablishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in Israel.

AIPAC is a Zionist lobby group with a huge influence over Congress. They want the wars. They want Americans to die for Israel, and American leaders are willing to go along with it. Ron wouldn't. So yes, the Zionists at AIPAC, as I said, would not hesitate to assassinate him.

 

[Carole]

Something I have been considering as well. But I will write in Ron Paul.

The problem is exactly as he describes it. It is only because Oblahma moved so fast toward tyranny that anyone noticed. Had McCain been in office, it would have happened more slowly, but not much because of the Pelosi progressives.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I think so, too. I think (upon thinking about it) that the guy is right. IF Ron not on the ticket I think you have the right plan. I have voted for over 40 years. I think in this one I will not.

You could also just write in RP.

 

[Carole]

It will likely be the last election in 2012. America will collapse economically and maybe otherwise before 2016.