No more LP and Barr bashing.

[hrdman2luv]

We all have to face the facts. Ron Paul isn't going to be president. And there will never be another Ron Paul. At least not for another 20 years or more. By then, the Republicans and Democrats will have succeeded in total corruption of our federal, state and local governments.
The Constitution will have been destroyed by the North American Union, Patriot Act, and other things they will come up with.

And all this will happen because we are all debating stupid things, calling each other names like a bunch of kids.

Stop arguing and calling names. So what if you don't trust Barr. So what if you don't want a religious guy as president. So what if you disagree with someone else's choice for who they're supporting. Does that give you the right to slander and bash them for their choice?

Any one of the third party candidates is better than Obama & McCain. Is that so hard to realize? Is it so hard to not mention your thoughts about someone else's choice?

It's funny how an "anti-barr or anti-balwin" person who thinks that barr/baldwin doesn't have a chance to win, will spend so much time debating the falacies of Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin.

And even if Ron Paul was to endorse Baldwin or Barr, half of us would start supporting Obama or McCain just to spite Ron Paul for not agreeing with him.

CHILDISH !!!!!!!!!!!!! to say the least.

 

[Mark]

Barr has his own campaign to run that doesn't revolve around Ron Paul.

And the LP too. Which is WHY we didn't get any farther than we did this year.

There shouldn't even BE a LP this year.. every one of them should have been be a registered Rep this year. Forget the LP.

 

[MelissaCato]

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

Any questions ?

 

[Thomas_Paine]

This will probably be my last post here.

I have been a member of the LP since 1998. I have run for office multiple times. I took a break from my party to caucus for Ron Paul. I saw so many ignorant posts here bashing the LP. People need to remember that the people who have been supporting Ron Paul's campaigns over the years were Libertarians. We took the LP bashing and still supported Ron Paul with the understanding that he would help to hold together the freedom movement.

Paul chose to do the opposite. He refuses to endorse a candidate for President. This can only hurt this movement. Many people here see them selves as the freedom movement. The LP has been around since 1971 fighting for freedom. Where were all of you when Harry Browne was running for President or Badnarik. Where were you when the Vermont LP was trying to raise $10,000 to fully fund our state house candidates in 2006. Yes the LP will continue to be the party of freedom.

To all the people who keep bashing Barr and then post "VOTE BALDWIN" if you actually read the CP platform you would see how far they are from Ron Paul's policies. A government based on the CP platform would see Christian morals imposed by threat of violence on the masses.

If you wonder why there is such a consensus against Barr here it is because most of the bLibertarians got sick of all this and have left. I have better things to do then argue with you. I have campaigns to work on. We have a good chance of electing a Libertarian Attorney General in Vermont. I posted this here before but you guys could give a $hit, you would rather bash Barr for not showing up to an event.

Do you Remember when Ron Paul backed out on Glen Beck? Everyone was pissed at Beck because he would not let it go. You people are no better.

I will be voting for Bob Barr and will continue to fight for freedom with the LP.

Ben Todd
www.vtlp.org

I have been registered Libertarian for years as well and I do not agree with your comments at all.

Bob Barr broke his word plain and simple, he is NOT to be trusted.

What Bob Barr did was a COLD calculated political move which will cost him dearly in November. Instead of coming out and standing for the 4 core principles Dr. Paul has laid out he made up a pathetic inconsistent excuse to not STAND where he CLAIMED his principles lay. I mean what was so horrible about Ron Paul's idea to bring the third party candidates together in agreement of 4 core Constitutional principles. What Ron Paul did was PURE LEADERSHIP

WHO'S THE REAL LIBERTARIAN? Bob or Ron? The LP nominated a candidate who doesn't even believe in ending TAX SLAVERY, that reflects poorly on the party of principle. I'll take Ron Paul and his libertarian ACTIONS before Bob's babble about how he's seen the light of liberty all of a sudden

In my opinion you are putting Party BEFORE Principle, uniting behind a candidate who has a short and tainted record in Congress and now pulls these shenanigans.

I agree with Adam Kokesh.

“What Ron Paul was doing today was taking leadership on some issues that I know you agree with and your lack of willingness to be a part of a team and work with others on these issues is telling. You have spoken a lot just now about leadership and unity, but it is clear you care about neither, except when you are the leader, and people are united behind you. Good leadership includes good followership and today, you showed your lack of both, and a complete lack of integrity. I am retracting my endorsement.”

and I agree with Libertarian Party co-founder David Nolan

"As of yesterday afternoon, Bob Barr’s Presidential campaign is effectively over. There were signs of serious trouble even before yesterday, but his “no-show” at Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty news conference — followed by an insulting suggestion that Ron should join Barr on the LP ticket in the VP slot — demonstrated just how out-of-touch the Barr campaign is, and how poor Barr’s vote total is likely to be."

 

[ClockwiseSpark]

I have been registered Libertarian for years as well and I do not agree with your comments at all.

Bob Barr broke his word plain and simple, he is NOT to be trusted.

What Bob Barr did was a COLD calculated political move which will cost him dearly in November. Instead of coming out and standing for the 4 core principles Dr. Paul has laid out he made up a pathetic inconsistent excuse to not STAND where he CLAIMED his principles lay. I mean what was so horrible about Ron Paul's idea to bring the third party candidates together in agreement of 4 core Constitutional principles. What Ron Paul did was PURE LEADERSHIP

WHO'S THE REAL LIBERTARIAN? Bob or Ron? The LP nominated a candidate who doesn't even believe in ending TAX SLAVERY, that reflects poorly on the party of principle. I'll take Ron Paul and his libertarian ACTIONS before Bob's babble about how he's seen the light of liberty all of a sudden

In my opinion you are putting Party BEFORE Principle, uniting behind a candidate who has a short and tainted record in Congress and now pulls these shenanigans.

I agree with Adam Kokesh.

“What Ron Paul was doing today was taking leadership on some issues that I know you agree with and your lack of willingness to be a part of a team and work with others on these issues is telling. You have spoken a lot just now about leadership and unity, but it is clear you care about neither, except when you are the leader, and people are united behind you. Good leadership includes good followership and today, you showed your lack of both, and a complete lack of integrity. I am retracting my endorsement.”

and I agree with Libertarian Party co-founder David Nolan

"As of yesterday afternoon, Bob Barr’s Presidential campaign is effectively over. There were signs of serious trouble even before yesterday, but his “no-show” at Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty news conference — followed by an insulting suggestion that Ron should join Barr on the LP ticket in the VP slot — demonstrated just how out-of-touch the Barr campaign is, and how poor Barr’s vote total is likely to be."

Excellent.

 

[libertarian4321]

Barr has enough to deal with, being third party and all, enough is enough. And it's a private organization that chose its leader, fair and square, you should try better to get your candidate nominated in 2012.

Yes, the Libertarians chose Bob Barr. They chose badly. That is the point of all of this.

Not only are his libertarian credentials about as solid as Sarah Palin's foreign policy credentials, he's been a bumbling campaigner.

Here's a little advice to Mr. Barr: If you are relying on libertarian minded people to vote for you, its probably not a good idea to pull a stunt like Barr did the other day that pisses off a huge percentage of the libertarians in the country.

I'm honestly beginning to think Barr is intentionally screwing up his campaign to get back at the Libertarian Party for targeting him a few years ago.

I can't imagine anyone being so utterly politically clueless.

 

[TER]

I lost any respect I had for Barr and he also lost my vote. I don't vote based off party politics just off principle and integrity. Barr showed he wasn't dependable and a flake. I hope the LP party backs someone who can stick to their word next time it was a lame move. To the rude people who offended you they insulted us all, not just you. You fail because they called us fringe from the beginning and your diecison to turn tail makes them right.

Good luck,

This.

 

[RonPaulFever]

Bob Barr had my vote until the press conference bullshit. Now I'm telling everyone what a scumbag he is and to cast their vote elsewhere. You almost had it, Bob, but you blew it. We forgave you for your past sins, and you fucked us. Fool me once....

 

[CasualApathy]

I will be Barr bashing untill the end of time.

 

[aravoth]

Bob Barr and the LP are shitheads.

 

[silverbullet85]

Everyone all worked up over a press conference, it's kind of silly. Yes, what Barr did was disrespectful and a horrible campaign strategy, if you can call it that. But Barr is a friend of liberty. The point of the press conference was to find common ground and stand up to the duopoly. People make mistakes, but when we keep bashing Barr over this we're completely missing the point of the press conference, even if Barr missed the point too.

 

[hotbrownsauce]

Hey I'm cool with working together, but Barr shouldn't dis Ron Paul as he has done on the Fox interview with Neil Cavuto on September 10th, it doesn't make any of us Paul backers happy. K? Thanks I've already e-mailed Mr. Barr and left comments on his website to make it known why we are mad and that he shouldn't step on our toes or call us "a cult of personality". That is very questionable that he did that.

No one hated Barr till he attacked our campaign we've worked SO HARD for

 

[anaconda]

It seems like this place and the Daily Paul have both been taken over by juvenile delinquents who are only becoming more and more of an embarassment to this movement. They have no substantive discussions to offer. All they can do is flame people with their immature responses. It's like holding a debate in a nursery. It's really a shame, too.

I see this as well.

 

[anaconda]

Do you Remember when Ron Paul backed out on Glen Beck? Everyone was pissed at Beck because he would not let it go. You people are no better.

I admire you're commitment.

But Beck has a neocon war agenda and a paycheck from CNN. He is not trustworthy to represent the Ron Paul Revolution.

But Barr should have been able to trust these 3rd Party candidates on as much as the "Four-Point" platform that they were standing up for. The beauty in their diversity agreeing on these things that NONE of McCain or Obama speak in support of was extraordinary and inspiring. Barr is the former neocon hack. Nader, McKinney, Paul, and Baldwin have been consistent. Barr's shunning these people is very telling, as far as I am concerned.

Barr dropped the ball and I will now vote for one of the three that showed up to slay the two-headed beast of the the two-party sham.

 

[erika]

Bob Barr is such a goober and sellout. What was he thinking?

You might as well get another pro wrestler to run.

 

[Joe3113]

Dr. Paul has a good bedside manner, but politics isn't pretty. Barr is a former prosecutor. There's the difference (not on ideology as much--see the articles in the middle link of my sig).

Barr has no passionate ideology, and to say he does ignores the observable facts of his demeanor and his content. He has no grasp of what it means to be libertarian from the heart. It is not in his bones. It is not in his blood. The thought of liberty would never bring a tear to his eye. His history as a prosecutor is only relevant in that he handles libertarianism just as he would handle a case in court in that he doesn't get personally and emotionally involved. He simply looks at his election as an arbitrary goal that will reflect on his own political ability. If you are not emotionally involved then you cannot be a libertarian because ultimately, libertarian theory starts from an axiom, a truth which is self-evident in our hearts and emotions but a truth that cannot be derived from simple logic. That axiom is the principle that it is wrong to commit an aggressive, non-consensual physical action toward another innocent human being. The non-aggression principle.

 

[Kludge]

Bob Barr and the LP are shitheads.

With that logic, the GOP and Dems are shitheads too for nominating such scum.

 

[LittleLightShining]

Ben, I hope we can get Karen Kerin elected for Attorney General. That being said, what party was she on the ballot as? Yes, she's a Libertarian but she was on the Republican ballot. She understands, much like Ron Paul, that whether we like it or not this is a 2 party system and the best hope of getting into office is to use one or the other of the vehicles. Kind of like hitchhiking in the Republican pickup truck and slapping a Libertarian bumper sticker on it before you get in.

We can get Libertarians elected in VT and elsewhere, we just may have to use the GOP to do it.

 

[Spirit of '76]

Where were all of you when Harry Browne was running for President or Badnarik.

I voted for Harry Browne. Then I voted for Buchanan on the Reform Party ticket. Then I voted for Peroutka on the Constitution Party ticket.

The LP hasn't earned my loyalty any more than the GOP has, and with Bob Barr as their nominee, it certainly seems unlikely that they will any time soon.

As another poster commented, where was the LP when we needed them to support Ron Paul during the primaries? We could have swept our state convention if the LP members in our state had temporarily switched party affiliation to vote for RP delegates. Only a handful did, and they have my respect, but the rest were too wrapped up in the LP culture of being perennial political losers to get behind a candidate who stood a good shot at winning our state-wide contest.

With their help, we could have delivered an entire state delegation for Ron Paul to the RNC, instead of just two votes. And now they want us to be good little party loyalists, hold our noses, and vote for the drug warrior Bob Barr and his neocon warmonger sidekick Wayne Allen (Kellogg, Brown and) Root?

I don't think so. Hell, they couldn't even get their shit together enough to get him on the ballot here anyway. Looks like it's another year of voting Constitution Party for me...

 

[zahirakids]

Ben, I hope we can get Karen Kerin elected for Attorney General. That being said, what party was she on the ballot as? Yes, she's a Libertarian but she was on the Republican ballot. She understands, much like Ron Paul, that whether we like it or not this is a 2 party system and the best hope of getting into office is to use one or the other of the vehicles. Kind of like hitchhiking in the Republican pickup truck and slapping a Libertarian bumper sticker on it before you get in.

We can get Libertarians elected in VT and elsewhere, we just may have to use the GOP to do it.

If you remember Karen has always run as a Libertarian and filed for the GOP primary as a second nomination. This year she will appear on the ballot as Libertarian / Republican. Running as a Libertarian and endorsed by the GOP. My wife will also be on the ballot for state house as Libertarian / Republican.