No global warming since 1997, CO2 theories on the defense, SUN influence proven

[swissaustrian]

the problem is that sulfur emissions are miniscule compared to carbon emissions.

The problem is rather that human activity is miniscule compared to solar activity. That's what the CLOUD project is about.

 

[onlyrp]

But this is exactly what they published in this chart, it looks like a small range, but definitely not like an uptrend:

Nobody, not even the biggest alarmists say that temperature is only warming every year.
Just like no inflation alarmist will say inflation will only increase every year.
Somehow just because there's been cooling due to El Nino/La Nina (among other factors, such as the sun), global warming is false, but 4 years of credit contraction and housing price decline will not get an inflation alarmist to admit he was wrong.

 

[onlyrp]

The problem is rather that human activity is miniscule compared to solar activity. That's what the CLOUD project is about.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-advanced.htm

 

[Travlyr]

http://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-advanced.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYgOFqpRIlA

 

[swissaustrian]

Nobody, not even the biggest alarmists say that temperature is only warming every year.
Just like no inflation alarmist will say inflation will only increase every year.
Somehow just because there's been cooling due to El Nino/La Nina (among other factors, such as the sun), global warming is false, but 4 years of credit contraction and housing price decline will not get an inflation alarmist to admit he was wrong.

That is not the point here:
The CO2 theories can't explain the last 15 years, according to their models temperatures must have been higher and rising.

 

[onlyrp]

That is not the point here:
The CO2 theories can't explain the last 15 years, according to their models temperatures must have been higher and rising.

Even the article says the skeptics are willing to wait another 3 years. You can cherry pick any 5, 10 or 15 year trend you like.
So what about the last 30 years? Or 50 years?

 

[Acala]

so if there was no carbon tax, would you care what the climate is changing to?

I want to know who came up with the idea that climate would ever NOT change? To the best of our knowledge, the earth's climate has been in constant flux ALWAYS. And there was never any reason to think it would remain stable in any way other than the extremely short time frame of a human life and the interest of some to manipulate and profit from fear.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I want to know who came up with the idea that climate would ever NOT change? To the best of our knowledge, the earth's climate has been in constant flux ALWAYS. And there was never any reason to think it would remain stable in any way other than the extremely short time frame of a human life and the interest of some to manipulate and profit from fear.

Exactly. That's what climates do - they change. No change = no climate.
Personally, I like the fact that Earth has a climate.
Those who don't should move to Pluto.

 

[swissaustrian]

Even the article says the skeptics are willing to wait another 3 years. You can cherry pick any 5, 10 or 15 year trend you like.
So what about the last 30 years? Or 50 years?

On all scales I've looked into, the CO2 thesis delivers worse results than the solar theories. The wider the timeframe, the clearer the observation gets. The anthropocentric theories overestimate human influence and the role of CO2 for that matter.

 

[swissaustrian]

Exactly. That's what climates do - they change. No change = no climate.
Personally, I like the fact that Earth has a climate.
Those who don't should move to Pluto.

The moon would be my first choice if I didn't want climate

 

[Victor]

We used to have farms in Greenland ca 900 but then something happened. Climate change!

We are still in this mini Ice-age.

 

[dannno]

Even the article says the skeptics are willing to wait another 3 years. You can cherry pick any 5, 10 or 15 year trend you like.
So what about the last 30 years? Or 50 years?

How about the last 4500 years?

 

[Occam's Banana]

The moon would be my first choice if I didn't want climate

The Moon is good, too.

Although you do risk ending up with Newt Gingrich as your neighbor or - once the Moon achieves statehood - your Governor!