No global warming since 1997, CO2 theories on the defense, SUN influence proven

[swissaustrian]

Very interesting article on new data that shows we didn't have any global warming since 1997:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ight-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1ksG1sxHB

 

[donnay]

But, but, but, they changed the name from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" to continue the nonsense. It's the inconvenient truths that keep tripping these guys up!

 

[onlyrp]

But, but, but, they changed the name from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" to continue the nonsense. It's the inconvenient truths that keep tripping these guys up!

No they didnt. climate change has been the phrase used since 1988, if not longer. (see history of IPCC)

"We didn't have global warming since 1997" is a baseless lie, or else we wouldn't be talking about it the whole time if there was no warming trend since then.

 

[donnay]

No they didnt. climate change has been the phrase used since 1988, if not longer. (see history of IPCC)

"We didn't have global warming since 1997" is a baseless lie, or else we wouldn't be talking about it the whole time if there was no warming trend since then.

I was being sarcastic! That is what Al Gore tried pushing--'Global Warming'

An Inconvenient Truth is a 2006 documentary film directed by Davis Guggenheim about former United States Vice President Al Gore's campaign to educate citizens about global warming via a comprehensive slide show that, by his own estimate, he has given more than a thousand times.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth

Their talking about it so they can implement a carbon tax on you and I. As if paying governments are going to stop climate change. *SIGH*

 

[swissaustrian]

"We didn't have global warming since 1997" is a baseless lie, or else we wouldn't be talking about it the whole time if there was no warming trend since then.

???

 

[Danke]

Well, at least the ice fishing season will last a bit longer now.

 

[Mark37snj]

What I find really funny is how all those Global Warming fanatics were quoting NASA when the numbers were fudged to support their claims but now that Climategate blow up in their face and the actual numbers don't support their grandious wealth redistribution carbon credit tax scheme they discount/ignore NASA now. But what is really astonishing is that they still think they can pull it off.

 

[Salutary7]

To be fair, it is the Daily Mail after all. They're not exactly known for accurate science reporting.

 

[swissaustrian]

To be fair, it is the Daily Mail after all. They're not exactly known for accurate science reporting.

They're quoting data collected by the UK government...

 

[Dr.3D]

Oh come on, we don't like it when people bash our religious beliefs, you know they are not going to like it when we do it to them. Those poor climate people have feelings too.

 

[swissaustrian]

Oh come on, we don't like it when people bash our religious beliefs, you know they are not going to like it when we do it to them. Those poor climate people have feelings too.

Yep. Sadly this has turned into a question of belief, because politicians have seized the issue in order to exploit it for power games...

 

[tttppp]

We are suppose to be in a mini ice age sometime around now.

 

[Mark37snj]

We are suppose to be in a mini ice age sometime around now.

Yeah, I think it already started. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57355809/alaska-town-gets-help-digging-out-of-snowy-prison/

 

[swissaustrian]

We are suppose to be in a mini ice age sometime around now.

 

[Salutary7]

They're quoting data collected by the UK government...

Just saying that it wouldn't be the first time they've misrepresented research.

But as for this article, they say they clearly say the planet has not warmed in the past 15 years. They even have a nice image showing 1997 at the highest point in graph. I already knew that wasn't possibly right, so i looked at the Met Office data. Here are the yearly average temperature anomalies:
1997 0.356
1998 0.517
1999 0.263
2000 0.239
2001 0.399
2002 0.456
2003 0.459
2004 0.431
2005 0.474
2006 0.427
2007 0.402
2008 0.312
2009 0.439
2010 0.499
2011 0.346

Every year except 1999, 2000, 2008 and 2011 were warmer than 1997. Is this proof of global warming? Not really. But it does show that the Daily Mail is not reputable in this area.

 

[swissaustrian]

But as for this article, they say they clearly say the planet has not warmed in the past 15 years. They even have a nice image showing 1997 at the highest point in graph. I already knew that wasn't possibly right, so i looked at the Met Office data. Here are the yearly average temperature anomalies:
1997 0.356
1998 0.517
1999 0.263
2000 0.239
2001 0.399
2002 0.456
2003 0.459
2004 0.431
2005 0.474
2006 0.427
2007 0.402
2008 0.312
2009 0.439
2010 0.499
2011 0.346

Every year except 1999, 2000, 2008 and 2011 were warmer than 1997. Is this proof of global warming? Not really. But it does show that the Daily Mail is not reputable in this area.

But this is exactly what they published in this chart, it looks like a small range, but definitely not like an uptrend:

 

[swissaustrian]

Just saying that it wouldn't be the first time they've misrepresented research.

The guy who complains about beeing misrepresented is well known in German speaking media, his name is Mojib Latif. Besides the fact that he has been constantly wrong with his projections (e.g. 20 years ago, he said Germany would have record cold winters by now), I can't take him seriously, because he's doing things like this on German television, start watching at 4:30:
[video]http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=3157463088250117946#[/video]

 

[onlyrp]

I was being sarcastic! That is what Al Gore tried pushing--'Global Warming'

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth

Their talking about it so they can implement a carbon tax on you and I. As if paying governments are going to stop climate change. *SIGH*

so if there was no carbon tax, would you care what the climate is changing to?

 

[Simple]

I'm happy to see the BEST temperature survey and the CLOUD experiment cited here. The fact is that the so called proof on the warming was highly manipulated. NOAA has the data sets available on their paleoclimatology website and its pretty damn hard to make it look like a hockey stick even if you use the same data sets as Michael Mann.

I'm just waiting for the new argument on the carbon tax now that this has finally come to the mainstream. Carbon causes warming *cough* I mean cooling so we need massive government intervention. Maybe they'll go after the sulfur from coal next because it has been shown to cause cooling much like the volcanoes do.

 

[onlyrp]

I'm happy to see the BEST temperature survey and the CLOUD experiment cited here. The fact is that the so called proof on the warming was highly manipulated. NOAA has the data sets available on their paleoclimatology website and its pretty damn hard to make it look like a hockey stick even if you use the same data sets as Michael Mann.

I'm just waiting for the new argument on the carbon tax now that this has finally come to the mainstream. Carbon causes warming *cough* I mean cooling so we need massive government intervention. Maybe they'll go after the sulfur from coal next because it has been shown to cause cooling much like the volcanoes do.

the problem is that sulfur emissions are miniscule compared to carbon emissions.