No Clear Link Between Passive Smoking and Lung Cancer

[tod evans]

The Japanese smoke like chimneys, more than the US and they have far fewer cases of lung cancer than us.

Wonder if the Jap. government forces them to do weird shit to their tobacco?

 

[phill4paul]

This study won't stop the anti-tobacco petty tyrants. It's not about actually protecting anybody from anything. It is about control. Petty tyrants abound. Having already banned tobacco indoors in N.C. whether private or public property (is there a difference anymore) the tobacco Nazi's have set their sights on the great outdoors.

HICKORY - Effective January 1, 2014, all City of Hickory parks will be Tobacco Free.

An initiative between the Catawba County Public Health Department and the North Carolina Community Transformation Grant Project is presenting a unified effort that would establish tobacco free parks in all local governments within Catawba County. A presentation was made by both organizations to Parks and Recreation Commission at their August 12 meeting. The Hickory City Council voted to pass the policy, banning all tobacco products in all City parks, beginning January 1, 2014, at their December 3 meeting.

Municipalities in the county, currently, have smoke free policies in place for buildings. All City of Hickory buildings have been smoke free since 1993. Discussions have been underway for several years to establish tobacco free grounds policies across the county, as well.

The policy defines tobacco products as any product containing, made or derived from tobacco that is intended for human consumption, whether chewed, smoked, absorbed, dissolved, inhaled, snorted, sniffed or ingested by any other means or any component part or accessory of a tobacco product.

The prohibited areas include any recreation facility owned, leased, or occupied as defined by the City of Hickory and on recreation facility grounds that are owned, leased, or occupied by the City of Hickory. This applies to all 23 City of Hickory parks and covers visitors and employees.

"The City is making efforts to encourage healthy lifestyles," said Mack McLeod, City of Hickory Parks and Recreation Director. "For that reason the City has implemented the Tobacco Free Policy at all the City-owned parks."

Signage, stating that the park is a tobacco free and a smoke free campus, will be at all of the park entrances and also at strategic locations within the parks.

So look at the bolded. That pretty much covers every damn thing. Vapes. Covered. Snuff, which would have NO impact on another. Every damn thing tobacco related. Hell, it's against the law to wear a nicotine patch. Or chew nicotine gum. SMFH.

It's fur dur childrennssssss!

 

[phill4paul]

"The City is making efforts to encourage healthy lifestyles," said Mack McLeod

Yeah, by making those lifestyles the Nazi's don't approve of illegal.

 

[dannno]

People are forgetting that tobacco doesn't cause lung cancer, even in heavy longterm smokers.

The radiation in the phosphorus fertilizers used on commercial tobacco causes lung cancer with heavy longterm use.

Could easily be avoided if the regulations on growing tobacco were removed so people had more access to organic tobacco.

 

[Zippyjuan]

People are forgetting that tobacco doesn't cause lung cancer, even in heavy longterm smokers.

The radiation in the phosphorus fertilizers used on commercial tobacco causes lung cancer with heavy longterm use.

Could easily be avoided if the regulations on growing tobacco were removed so people had more access to organic tobacco.

Is that why the American Spirit website says "Organic tobacco does NOT mean a safer cigarette. No additives in our tabacco does NOT mean a safer cigarette."

Can you provide links to studies which show no cancer from organic cigarettes?

 

[dannno]

Is that why the American Spirit website says "Organic tobacco does NOT mean a safer cigarette. No additives in our tabacco does NOT mean a safer cigarette."

No, the reason the American Spirit website says that is because if they don't put that on their label or website people with guns will come to the American Spirit manufacturing facility and force them to shut down.

But I believe this is what YOU are looking for:

Additionally, the use of the phosphate fertilizer Apatite – which contains radium, lead-210, and polonium-210 – also increases the amount of radiation in tobacco plants.

http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb01/tobacco.html

For example, phosphate fertilizers, favored by the tobacco industry, contain radium and its decay products (including lead-210 and polonium-210). When phosphate fertilizer is spread on tobacco fields year after year, the concentration of lead-210 and polonium-210 in the soil rises.

http://www.epa.gov/radiation/sources/tobacco.html

Polonium has been found in tobacco smoke from tobacco leaves grown with phosphate fertilizers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

 

[dannno]

Can you provide links to studies which show no cancer from organic cigarettes?

Organic cigarettes have only been around for a few years so I have no idea how they would be able to test such a thing when it usually takes decades for people to get cancer from smoking.

 

[Zippyjuan]

No, the reason the American Spirit website says that is because if they don't put that on their label or website people with guns will come to the American Spirit manufacturing facility and force them to shut down.

But I believe this is what YOU are looking for:



http://www.epa.gov/rpdweb01/tobacco.html



http://www.epa.gov/radiation/sources/tobacco.html



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonium

Are those the only carcinogens in cigarettes?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Organic cigarettes have only been around for a few years so I have no idea how they would be able to test such a thing when it usually takes decades for people to get cancer from smoking.

So you cannot make the claim that they don't cause cancer or even any less cancer than "regular" cigarettes.

People are forgetting that tobacco doesn't cause lung cancer, even in heavy longterm smokers.

 

[dannno]

Are those the only carcinogens in cigarettes?

I believe they are the only ones in high enough concentrations and toxic enough to cause a large scale epidemic of lung cancer from smoking cigarettes. I would not be surprised to find that 90-99+% of lung cancer cases related to cigarettes would not exist if they weren't using radioactive fertilizer.

 

[DamianTV]

Yeah, by making those lifestyles the Nazi's don't approve of illegal.

Nazis were the first major group to push towad making Tobacco Products completely illegal. Nazis aslo claimed that Gun Registration would make people safer. And look at how well that all turned out. Like a Fart in Church.

 

[Origanalist]

I just handed out a lot of + reps. Zippy, Do you understand all the man made crap that goes into store bought cigarettes? The really nasty crap?

 

[Zippyjuan]

I just handed out a lot of + reps. Zippy, Do you understand all the man made crap that goes into store bought cigarettes? The really nasty crap?

I do think cigarettes contain lots of nasty crap. I am not convinced that "organic" cigarettes are healthy though and isn't just marketing to make people think they are healthier (if not outright healthy- I mean it is "organic" afterall!). Especially after all the decades of claims that regular cigarettes were good for you (or at least weren't bad for you).

The do deliver a significantly larger quantity of nicotine than "regular" cigs.
http://whyfiles.org/183smoking/2.html

Pankow and his team recently compared the levels of free-base nicotine found in the most common brands of American cigarettes (see "Percent Free Base Nicotine.." in the bibliography). They found that some -- including the famously popular Marlboro -- contain 10 to 20 times higher percentages of free-base nicotine than other brands. But the brand with the most free-base nicotine? The "Natural American Spirit" cigarette, marketed here as "100% Chemical Additive-Free Tobacco." American Spirit cigarettes contain 36 percent free-base nicotine, compared with 9.6 percent in a Marlboro, 2.7 percent in a Camel, and 6.2 percent in a Winston.

Note also that they say no "chemical" additives. Doesn't say no additives at all.

 

[dannno]

Especially after all the decades of claims that regular cigarettes were good for you (or at least weren't bad for you).

Well as the material I quoted earlier said, it takes a while for the radiation to build up in the soil and they didn't have nearly as many additives so cigarettes were probably relatively healthy before the 1940s or 1950s.

 

[Origanalist]

I do think cigarettes contain lots of nasty crap. I am not convinced that "organic" cigarettes are healthy though. Especially after all the decades of claims that regular cigarettes were good for you (or at least weren't bad for you).

Well, those "regular" cigarettes have have some pretty nasty stuff in them for quite some time. And there's no doubt pipe tobacco and cigars cause less health problems. Cigarettes are a fairly new concept in a historic perspective.