NJ Requires Flu Shots for Preschoolers

[Corydoras]

tylenol kills about 10,000 people each year but you dont see them pulling THAT off the market

400 or so per year, of whom a substantial number are suicides

 

[SlapItHigh]

You really must take influenza lightly, if you think those side effects constitute an excuse not to take the flu vaccine. Influenza and pneumonia are a leading cause of death in the United States and across the world. You take the flu vaccine to avoid being seriously ill and to avoid dying, not to avoid being a little uncomfortable.

Flu epidemics can be hideous. Even today, there won't be enough respirators to keep people alive in such a situation.

Try logical thinking on this issue, might help. You are pushing the fear of death which is a valid concern but how does that relate to the flu shot? What are the benefits of the flu shot and do the risks outweigh the benefits?

A Cochrane Review of healthy adults showed that the flu shot did not reduce the number of flu related deaths and summarized - "There is not enough evidence to decide whether routine vaccination to prevent influenza in healthy adults is effective."

http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001269.html



Another Cochrane Review showed a modest reduction in deaths for the just the elderly but it should be noted that this study isn't designed as well due to lack of solid research - "The results of the review are mostly based on non-experimental (observational) studies, which are at greater risk of bias, as not many good quality trials were available."

http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004876.html



Now since we are talking about preschoolers, let's focus on children. IIRC, the last stat I read was for 2004 that there were something like 150 flu related childhood deaths for the year which is relatively low compared to other causes of childhood death even though that was a particularly bad year for the flu/increased deaths. Let's check Cochrane Review again:

Authors' conclusions
Influenza vaccines are efficacious in children older than two years but little evidence is available for children under two. There was a marked difference between vaccine efficacy and effectiveness. That no safety comparisons could be carried out emphasizes the need for standardisation of methods and presentation of vaccine safety data in future studies. It was surprising to find only one study of inactivated vaccine in children under two years, given recent recommendations to vaccinate healthy children from six months old in the USA and Canada. If immunisation in children is to be recommended as public-health policy, large-scale studies assessing important outcomes and directly comparing vaccine types are urgently required.

http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004879.html



Tell us again that we don't take influenza lightly but if so you are going to have to provide us with some type of evidence that the flu shot actually reduces deaths in preschool aged children. This is the type of stuff I deal with when I'm talking to neocons about Ron Paul. They argue that the terrorist threats are real and should not be taken lightly but they fail to realize that our foreign intervention is not the cure all.

If flu shots should be mandated for anyone, it should be the elderly but even then I would strongly disagree with the mandate. How can a government mandate a health procedure when we do not have sufficient evidence that it will achieve the desired goal? What is worse is that we don't have the appropriate research regarding outcomes and risks assessments either. In addition, the flu shot is different every year. There are too many individual factors to consider and each person should decide for themselves and their children whether or not they want the shot.

 

[Dave Pedersen]

Many believe there is a link between autism and vaccinations, cancer and krone's disease too I have heard. But I have not looked at the evidence.

I know I would never accept anything the government wants me to be injected with. I do not trust the government because I do not trust David Rockefeller.

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Try telling the parents of a child that developed autism or died after receiving vaccines that vacccines are safe. I have a friend who HAD two perfectly healthy and happy little boys. After receiving their MANDATED MMR vaccinations, BOTH suddendly developed autism!! Thankfully, their mom is a pretty bright cookie and began looking into holistic cures and both boys are doing MUCH better now, however, they are not nearly as well at they were BEFORE their vaccinations. What she keeps hearing from the 'regular' medical doctors by way of an excuse is that sometimes these vaccines exacerabate or activate some unknown medical or genetic condition in some children. Thanfully, more and more parents are refusing to play Russian roulette with their children no matter what the drug companies want.

 

[kimosabi]

If flu shots should be mandated for anyone, it should be the elderly but even then I would strongly disagree with the mandate. How can a government mandate a health procedure when we do not have sufficient evidence that it will achieve the desired goal? What is worse is that we don't have the appropriate research regarding outcomes and risks assessments either. In addition, the flu shot is different every year. There are too many individual factors to consider and each person should decide for themselves and their children whether or not they want the shot.

You are completely ignorant!!!​

Watch the FOLLOWING!!!​

Merk drug company world leading vaccine expert admits injecting cancer viruses and bringing AIDS into the US

This stunning censored interview conducted by medical historian Edward Shorter for WGBH public television (Boston) and Blackwell Science was cut from The Health Century due to its huge liability--the admission that Merck drug company vaccines have traditionally been injecting cancer viruses (SV40 and others) in people worldwide.

This segment of In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood & Bioterrorism, produced and freely contributed by consumer protector and public health expert, Dr. Leonard Horowitz, features the world's leading vaccine expert, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, who explains why Merck's vaccines have spread AIDS, leukemia, and other horrific plagues worldwide.

Please forward this clip (link) to everyone you know who thinks vaccines are "safe and effective."

Watch This ==> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011

 

[SlapItHigh]

You are completely ignorant!!!​

Watch the FOLLOWING!!!​

Kimosabi, I think you are confused. Did you mean to quote me and call me ignorant? If so, can you explain why? I posted a ton of credible research. I have done extensive research on vaccinations and have chosen not to vaccinate my own children.

 

[phoenixrising]

i hope it was meant for corydoras....(as this is)

these r just easy clips...or short articles ...yet i too have scored 100's of articles-- you need to do the same from CREDIBLE sources!

here's more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6yIncJnx4U&feature=related
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELx2eX_kM-w&feature=related

& if you think what we do to the kids & elderly is bad--checkout this:
http://www.boydgraves.com/timeline/
or
http://www.boydgraves.com/graves/
& most of all you may want to sign up for a credible newsletter :
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/

here's a thought for u...if u tell people something long enough ...they start believing it as truth...because MOST won't do their own research--you must!!!

think about the SARS scare....the gov't telling people there wouldn't be enough to go around for everyone....it's a tactic that would make people BEG to be vaccinated.

not me......not for ANYTHING they dish out!! i'll let someone who didn't do research & doesn't want to listen-- have mine.

oh 1 last thing-- the attorney general in MD didn't even vac. his kids when they pulled that junk on prince edward county in nov--gee i wonder why?????????

 

[phoenixrising]

ohhh & 1 last thing....a measley 10 yrs ago autism was 1 in 10,000 kids....today it's 1 in 150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Birdlady]

i hope it was meant for corydoras....(as this is)

Once you bring facts in to the argument, Corydoras disappears. For this reason, he/she is on my ignore list now. I don't have the energy to try to inform someone that doesn't want informed.

I wish they put all of the ingredients on those vaccines. It might actually make some people give them a second thought. These are fillers not listed in the so called "ingredients".

aluminum hydroxide
aluminum phosphate
ammonium sulfate
amphotericin B
animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,
dog kidney, monkey kidney,
chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg
calf (bovine) serum
betapropiolactone
fetal bovine serum
formaldehyde
formalin
gelatin
glycerol
human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)
hydrolized gelatin
monosodium glutamate (MSG)
neomycin
neomycin sulfate
phenol red indicator
phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)
potassium diphosphate
potassium monophosphate
polymyxin B
polysorbate 20
polysorbate 80
porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein
residual MRC5 proteins
sorbitol
sucrose
thimerosal (mercury)
tri(n)butylphosphate,
VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells
washed sheep red blood cells

 

[Corydoras]

Once you bring facts in to the argument, Corydoras disappears. For this reason, he/she is on my ignore list now. I don't have the energy to try to inform someone that doesn't want informed.

Oh, no, I'm here.

 

[phoenixrising]

i agree...IGNORE LIST is alive & well

E. O. D. corydoras --ta-ta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kimosabi]

ohhh & 1 last thing....a measley 10 yrs ago autism was 1 in 10,000 kids....today it's 1 in 150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Interestingly the "Unvaccinated Amish" don't get Autism ==> http://www.infowars.com/articles/science/autism_none_for_unvaccinated_amish.htm and http://www.upi.com/Consumer_Health_...7/the_age_of_autism_a_pretty_big_secret/6829/

 

[user]

1) Not all flu vaccines contain mercury. FluMist and the no-preservative version of FluZone are examples of mercury-free flu vaccines.

2) The great majority of vaccines have NO mercury.

3) Vaccines with thimerosal have very little mercury in them. One microgram is a thousandth of a milligram. A single aspirin tablet has 325 milligrams.
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/thi-table.htm

4) There's some good reading here:
http://www.immunizationinfo.org/immunization_science.cfm?cat=1

Irrelevant. The vaccines could have magic goo and it wouldn't be any more acceptable to make them mandatory.

 

[phoenixrising]

i agree!!!! the autism is up in the kids being vaccinated.

 

[confederatepatriot1025]

its illegal watch the alex jones show he asked a lawyer about the legallity of such a law and he said it was unconstitutional

 

[Gunpartsguy]

Our 6YO is autistic. Guess when his developmental problems started? Right after his first series of vaccinations! No more. We've had great progress with him and he is in mainstream 1st grade and doing well. The school nurse told us that "it's the law" that all children get the vaccines. I looked up the WAC (WA state law.) Nope, she's either lying or has been duped. We held our ground while showing them the law. Pissed a bunch of school board types off. We don't care. They can go to hell. He's our kid. And these decisions are ours!

I had a certain lady connected with the school district talk to me in private. She tried to convince me that it's needed. I of course would not relent. She hinted that CPS might come to our door. I let her know in no uncertain terms that "Whoever comes from the state to mess with us better have a warrant. And it better be legal. They also better think real hard about how hard they are willing to fight to enforce something that is not in the law. Because we will fight with extreme prejudice to protect our rights/family. Do you understand?" She walked away shaken up pretty good. I'm sure that the GOA hat I was wearing at the time got the message through to her.

Over a year later. Not a peep out of them.

BTW- If you have an autistic child...get them off the milk! Once we took our boy off of milk the OCD and tantrums stopped. His developmental skills are back up with his peers. He's doing so very well. It's hard to get milk products out of your diet. But it can be done. It works! At least for the children we know of with autism. We don't know what it is about the milk. Every time he gets hold of a little milk product. The OCD and behavior problems start up again.

We know a few folks that also have autistic kids. But they won't take the milk out of their diet even though they have seen the improvements with our boy! Sad, very sad. Don't love their kids enough to even try!

We do not trust the pharmaceutical companies. They serve their investors and the fedgov long before they serve us. Anybody that would give our child anything without our permission is looking for real trouble. We have notarized letters on file at his school stating that under no circumstances is he to get any kind of medical treatment except for basic first aid...or direct life saving emergency treatment.

 

[Crickett]

Somewhere, I saw that the FEDERAL government was going to mandate flu shots. After watching "Freedom to Fascism" I almost think that that is how they will get this computer chip into us--especially little kids who close their eyes when getting shots..argh this freaks me out..

 

[Corydoras]

I almost think that that is how they will get this computer chip into us--especially little kids who close their eyes when getting shots

The VeriChip is too big to be injected with the same kind of needle that vaccines use.

 

[chiplitfam]

How to solve the problem

Vote for Ron Paul or move out of that state. Better yet, HOMESCHOOL.

 

[Corydoras]

There is evidence that autism rates continue to rise when vaccination rates drop.

But I have been reluctant to post scientific evidence when the likelihood is that it will sway the minds of nobody here. And there's a lot of evidence. I wonder what good it does to provide evidence when I will be attacked for it.

I am also frankly disgusted that people who despite scientific evidence to the contrary are convinced that vaccines cause autism also appear to have no respect for neurodiversity, no apparent respect for the autistic liberation movement, and every sign of capitulation to the autism industry that seeks to turn the autistic into objects of fear and pity.