Nigel Farage is charming the pants off the ladies

[Debbie Downer]

Spank me first!

 

[kathy88]

Spank me first!

Bet she passes on that one.

 

[talkingpointes]

British politics are so harsh make American politics civil and this guy always goes full-throttle. I have never seen him censor himself, or try to sound pc. He is like Peter Schiff and Ron Paul in one. Why is it that his plan is working over there but we can't do it here. (even though we are all mostly here because of Ron)

 

[PaulConventionWV]

British politics are so harsh make American politics civil and this guy always goes full-throttle. I have never seen him censor himself, or try to sound pc. He is like Peter Schiff and Ron Paul in one. Why is it that his plan is working over there but we can't do it here. (even though we are all mostly here because of Ron)

Well, his plan isn't necessarily "working" just yet. Remember, Ron has had the kind of numbers that Nigel has right now. I wouldn't necessarily say that his "plan" is working any better yet.

 

[jllundqu]

There needs to be like a Nigel Farange (and Daniel Hanaan) 'best hits' youtube vid....

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Bet she passes on that one.

I bet she would. She's the daring and raucous punk type. (and I mean that in a very good way ~hugs amy~)

 

[Warlord]

British politics are so harsh make American politics civil and this guy always goes full-throttle. I have never seen him censor himself, or try to sound pc. He is like Peter Schiff and Ron Paul in one. Why is it that his plan is working over there but we can't do it here. (even though we are all mostly here because of Ron)

Godfrey Bloom MEP doesn't hold back either.

Behold:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...m-(UKIP)-Fractional-reserve-banking-is-a-SCAM

The reason he speaks so frankly is because there's no political consequences. The Members of the European Parliament are elected by Proportional Representation so % of the vote = number seats you win. There's no district to worry about or those back home to please since their "home" is a carved up region where they're just one of a number of representatives.

Remember because of First Past the Post in the UK parliament (which is also used for Congress) UKIP could get 30% of the vote and win 0 seats if its spread out all over the place

 

[green73]

I bet she would. She's the daring and raucous punk type. (and I mean that in a very good way ~hugs amy~)

 

[heavenlyboy34]

lolz You kids these days. SMH.

 

[jtstellar]

British politics are so harsh make American politics civil and this guy always goes full-throttle. I have never seen him censor himself, or try to sound pc. He is like Peter Schiff and Ron Paul in one. Why is it that his plan is working over there but we can't do it here. (even though we are all mostly here because of Ron)

funny you would say that since on numerous occasions people here had bashed farage for his anti-EU immigration rhetorics, calling it 'not libertarian enough', and neither has he (yet) introduced any long term plan to move away from their national healthcare services.

some people really see him as rino-light here, and not just here but many other gathering places/forums where i read the comments. it almost sounds like people are really saying 'why won't you say the things i want to hear and the way i want to hear you say them, because anything else to me is you holding back your tongue/lying/compromising' while the irony is at any moment there will be two simultaneously self righteous commentator, both self-identified libertarian, thinking him/herself is on the right saying simultaneously opposite things on ideas and strategy.

both would criticize 'mainstream libertarian thoughts' but in totally opposite directions

one would argue farage is totally establishment/not for drastic enough change for us, the other would be all in on him and complain why we aren't doing it here. i really don't know if it's an intellectual issue at this point for failure of these people on self-irony detection or really just.. staying in a basement too much, or something. another funny thing is it's usually the heaviest contributor like rand paul that gets whined to by both sides. and he will be at fault for taking into account of both as well, likely getting blamed by both for compromise during the process.

 

[gwax23]

Godfrey Bloom MEP doesn't hold back either.

Behold:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...m-(UKIP)-Fractional-reserve-banking-is-a-SCAM

The reason he speaks so frankly is because there's no political consequences. The Members of the European Parliament are elected by Proportional Representation so % of the vote = number seats you win. There's no district to worry about or those back home to please since their "home" is a carved up region where they're just one of a number of representatives.

Remember because of First Past the Post in the UK parliament (which is also used for Congress) UKIP could get 30% of the vote and win 0 seats if its spread out all over the place

Exactly thats one of the advantages of Proportional voting systems over first past the post.

Though even with district based systems a instant run off system would be leaps and bounds better than first past the post.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

It's the pinstripes. Classy.

The RED socks and the PINT in his hand.

 

[compromise]

Godfrey Bloom MEP doesn't hold back either.

Behold:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...m-(UKIP)-Fractional-reserve-banking-is-a-SCAM

The reason he speaks so frankly is because there's no political consequences. The Members of the European Parliament are elected by Proportional Representation so % of the vote = number seats you win. There's no district to worry about or those back home to please since their "home" is a carved up region where they're just one of a number of representatives.

Remember because of First Past the Post in the UK parliament (which is also used for Congress) UKIP could get 30% of the vote and win 0 seats if its spread out all over the place

PR in many countries also means:
- Liberal and centrist are almost always in power
- People vote for a collective list, not an individual and so are forced to vote for both politicians they do like and politicians they don't
- Unpopular politicians at the top of their lists keep being re-elected by pandering to the party establishment and topping the lists
- Politicians care more about voting the way their party leaders want more than their constituents want
- Cartel democracy: parties begin to always cooperate instead of competing, leading to permanent coalitions, see present day Austria and pre-Berlusconi Italy
- People have no idea who their elected representatives are because they're voting for a party, not a person

If PR was in the US, sure, the Libertarian Party might have a couple of seats, but there would be no Libertarian Republicans, as Boehner & co. would just deselect them when they voted against big gov't initiatives. As our executive branch is the President and the LP would never win a presidential race, they would never be in government.

I prefer responsibility for poor voting to lie with the individual rather than the party. If I see a representative of mine who's consistently voting poorly, I want to be able to get him out. I don't want him to just suck up to the leader and ask to be moved up the list so he can stick around.

 

[gwax23]

PR in many countries also means:
- Liberal and centrist are almost always in power
- People vote for a collective list, not an individual and so are forced to vote for both politicians they do like and politicians they don't
- Unpopular politicians at the top of their lists keep being re-elected by pandering to the party establishment and topping the lists
- Politicians care more about voting the way their party leaders want more than their constituents want
- Cartel democracy: parties begin to always cooperate instead of competing, leading to permanent coalitions, see present day Austria and pre-Berlusconi Italy
- People have no idea who their elected representatives are because they're voting for a party, not a person

If PR was in the US, sure, the Libertarian Party might have a couple of seats, but there would be no Libertarian Republicans, as Boehner & co. would just deselect them when they voted against big gov't initiatives. As our executive branch is the President and the LP would never win a presidential race, they would never be in government.

I prefer responsibility for poor voting to lie with the individual rather than the party. If I see a representative of mine who's consistently voting poorly, I want to be able to get him out. I don't want him to just suck up to the leader and ask to be moved up the list so he can stick around.

THis is all true. I think a mixed system with one chamber of the legislature being elected on a proportional basis and another on a Instant Run Off vote basis (representing districts) would be the best solution.

 

[Spikender]

I hope he's charming them with policies and vision rather than looks or swagger.

That's what's important, really.