Nigel Farage - Britain's Ron Paul

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A friend just referred this to me, not sure if he's been mentioned here but I thought the speech was worth the post. He's been called Britain's Ron Paul (I'm sure his politics are quite different but still).
 
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Theyre both awesome.... Hannan all but blatantly endorsed Paul at CPAC, but I think it went over everyones heads.
 
Farage & Hannan are as good as it gets as far as politicians who mostly hold our views in Europe. However, Hannan has disappointed me recently because he seems to have a hard-on for Stephen Harper (Prime minister of Canada) 's leadership and policies. When you look at Harper's record (increased militarism and deficits, stimulus and pushing for more drug war), he's Bush-lite but Hannan doesn't seem to recognize it. I've called him out on that, but to no avail...
 
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We don't have any politician in the UK who even comes close to Ron Paul.

Farage is great fun and a good wordsmith. His rants at Van Rompuy and Barosso in the EU are legendary but Farage is not a libertarian. He is also a big supporter of the City of London, which is just a bunch of crooks as far as I'm concerned. Farage is a bit of a cheeky rogue in my opinion, good fun but not to be taken too seriously.

Hannan is also a good public speaker but again, he is not a libertarian and his similarity to Ron Paul is only skin deep.

Statism and socialism are absolutely 100% hardwired into the British psyche which is why VERY few British people would ever understand Ron Paul's positions.
 
I read somewhere that nigel describes himself as a libertarian. It mightve been a facebook page. His biggest cause seems to be national sovereignty though.
 
GRRR! :mad:

Nigel Farage is NOTHING like Ron Paul. I have spoken with Nigel, he is no libertarian.

Nigel Farage opposes the gold standard, supports fractional reserve banking, condones subsidies, believes in a burkha ban, against immigration and so on.

He is nothing like Ron Paul. Doug Carswell and Dan Hannan are the closest we have to Ron Paul, but even then, they are still some way off.
 
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We don't have any politician in the UK who even comes close to Ron Paul.

Farage is great fun and a good wordsmith. His rants at Van Rompuy and Barosso in the EU are legendary but Farage is not a libertarian. He is also a big supporter of the City of London, which is just a bunch of crooks as far as I'm concerned. Farage is a bit of a cheeky rogue in my opinion, good fun but not to be taken too seriously.

Hannan is also a good public speaker but again, he is not a libertarian and his similarity to Ron Paul is only skin deep.

Statism and socialism are absolutely 100% hardwired into the British psyche which is why VERY few British people would ever understand Ron Paul's positions.

You are spot on.
 
I read somewhere that nigel describes himself as a libertarian. It mightve been a facebook page. His biggest cause seems to be national sovereignty though.

The United Kingdom Independence Party (of which Farage is the leader of) describe themselves as libertarian. However they are libertarian in name only. If you read there manifesto they are anything but. Nigel Farage is as libertarian as Mitt Romney.
 
He is nothing like Ron Paul. Doug Carswell and Dan Hannan are the closest we have to Ron Paul, but even then, they are still some way off.

I like Hannan a lot. He's much better than Farage. However, I would not be prepared to vote for the Conservative Party - unless the candidate was someone of the Carswell / Hannan philosophy. I would be prepared to vote for UKIP, though - simply because while Farage is not wonderful, he is a big improvement on Cameron, Clegg, Milliband, etc.

Statism and socialism are absolutely 100% hardwired into the British psyche which is why VERY few British people would ever understand Ron Paul's positions.

True. But England is a bastion of libertarianism and free market economics compared to the ultra-statist corner of Britain that I live in.

Occasionally I watch the "Big Dog" advert, and trying imagine what my friends and neighbors would think. It is enough to sent me into fits of laughter.
 
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I'd say that the first step (though, only a small step) towards libertarianism is having some sense of sovereignty of a nation. Then you gradually work your way down to the individual. Every nation in the world has been going backwards on that path, including the U.S, for some time.

Collectivism seems to be the norm in Europe (yes, I realize the irony in that statement?, lol), but there's a few countries holding out against the drive to turn Europe into one giant soup of slaves. My bets are on Ireland to fire the first shot, figuratively or literally.
 
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yeah farage is funny to listen speak but hannan' is much better philosophically. farage has said many things i dont agree with.
 
We don't have any politician in the UK who even comes close to Ron Paul.

Statism and socialism are absolutely 100% hardwired into the British psyche which is why VERY few British people would ever understand Ron Paul's positions.

THIS!!

We're doomed! ... I'm saving my money so i can emigrate to the US if the Dr. gets elected, failing that ima settle in that town in Texas thats being set up inline with RP values
 
I'm working on setting up a libertarian group in the UK. We have a loooong way to go if we have to hold our noses and support Messrs Hannan and Farage as the best of the bad bunch.

I wouldn't be able to bring myself to vote for UKIP, it's too much of a compromise. They support fiat money FFS!
 
I'm British and I support both Ron Paul and UKIP, I follow both daily and have done for a number of years so i'll break it down;

There's no doubt that UKIP and Nigel Farage are certainly not as 'pure' as Ron Paul is, although they are pretty close. UKIP is a coalition afterall between conservatives and libertarians, with a small group of left wingers who often side with the conservative right within the party. Issues like that can be seen in the burkha ban and immigration. On the other hand, there's the libertarian faction which i've noticed is growing rapidly within the party. It consists mainly of younger people who often haven't been all that involved in the mainstream parties before.

Overall the party is libertarian with conservative elements, for example;

- The burka ban although unclear, was basically an intention to allow private property owners to have that power (a de facto repeal of Equality legislation).
- Although wanting a complete ban on immigration for 5 years, the party would allow work visas and then implement a tougher system.
- A system of local and national referendums would be introduced for issues such as gay marriage, abortion etc.
- Allowing home schooling, bringing back the grammar schools (although public funded, would be much more deregulated than comprehensives)
- Reform of the tax code to simplify taxation.
- Overall reductions in taxation across the board.

The more left wing aspects of the party include;

- The continuation of the national healthcare service.


Source - myself, have closely followed the party.


I think Farage is much more bold in his personal opinions (see IEA interview) but he is the head of a political party, not a movement.
 
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The United Kingdom Independence Party (of which Farage is the leader of) describe themselves as libertarian. However they are libertarian in name only. If you read there manifesto they are anything but. Nigel Farage is as libertarian as Mitt Romney.

This was always my impression of UKIP.
 
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