NH election fraud! Ron Paul looses 4,900 votes!

[Mark]

what can we do? Somebody tell me. Who are we to fight the big establishment out there... this sounds discouraging but I really cannot see what alternatives we have except to swallow this pill.

You CANNOT be serious saying something as wimpy as that! That may be the BIGGEST loser attitude I have ever seen.

Thank God that attitude wasn't around at the time of the first Revolution.

 

[VonBek2000]

Go here and support this lawsuit. Free Elections are up to us. We have to support these movements.

http://www.ncel.w4sp.com/

 

[Time for Change]

If you guys want the grassroots to take care of this recount matter
Join Warrior Grannies and coorinate with them.
They have a chipin going, and you can concentrate your efforts there.

http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

I still think this is going to cause us harm, especially before super tuesday.

 

[Mark]

If you guys want the grassroots to take care of this recount matter
Join Warrior Grannies and coorinate with them.
They have a chipin going, and you can concentrate your efforts there.

http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

I still think this is going to cause us harm, especially before super tuesday.

It depends on who the "us" is you're referring to.

Saving the Republic is not "harmful" except to those who seek it's destruction.

 

[slantedview]

QFT. Ron Paul supporters are frustratingly unwilling to accept that maybe, just maybe the majority of Americans don't like Dr. Paul...why does everything need to be some kind of conspiracy?

not everything is a conspiracy. but towns/precincts coming in with 0 votes for paul and/or romney is obviously not right, which drew scrutiny. even though those things were corrected a day later, the question over WTF happened and how they were corrected remains, and begs a greater question, if something was wrong there than could something have been wrong elsewhere?

 

[Time for Change]

I wholeheartedly agree that there is cause for attention to these machines of the CFR.
Not a doubt in my mind.
I simply want to limit the attention given until AFTER major objectives have been met.
Super Tuesday efforts, Florida, Michigan, etc.
The principle is spot on, the votes should count, but in this instance we do not stand to find a glitch resulting in a first or second place finish, the blowback, or negative spin potential may be extremely crippling to Ron.
If we wait, and have more substantial evidence we can provide a point blank credible attack.
As it is now is questionable, even though it is absolutely correct to count every vote properly, the result of a $65,000 effort to achieve maybe 1% is not enough of a return for the risk.
We want Ron projected positively.
Now they are not reporting him at all.
If we start crying "Fraud" so early in the campaign, we may lose credibility in the eyes of potential supporters and gain phenomenal negative publicity.
Transitioning from no coverage to all negative coverage will not generate a favorable effect on Dr Paul's efforts.
How can it?

Just gather data and HOLD for god’s (and Ron Paul's) sake.

For 10% of that money I can buy local mobile advertising here in florida for a month.
Imagine what it could do in other states as well.

We have an objective here, we MUST achieve it. Expose the public to the message of RP before the primaries.

 

[Stealth4]

I think only 10-20 of us should dedicate for this effort. Those people should be interested in voting, types of collection, getting the details right, and reacting in a mature way.

To take up the attention of all the people on this forum with this one issue takes our attention away from campaigning, which we need to do to win.

To many threads are the same, with just minute updates, this group could give us just one daily update and put all the info in one place.

If you like this idea, start a thread on it, get 10-20 names, then setup an email list and work it out yourselves.

That will let the majority focus on campaining.

Please consider this.

 

[MGreen]

I'm not much for conspiracies, but there's no reason not to make sure the vote was counted fairly. Just, for the love of God, make sure your case is airtight before shouting "FRAUD!" in the streets.

Though the best way to handle this is to convince Obama's campaign to conduct an investigation, as it benefits him much more than us. And if his investigation should just happen to reveal that Paul lost around 4,000 votes, well... who are we to argue against it?

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

Enough of this cry baby crap.

You're embarrassing all of us and making Ron look bad.

 

[literatim]

Just to cover my bases here -- and I know there's spreadsheets and matrixes ad nauseum all over the place, but has there been any kind of correlation drawn between the demographics in all the disputed places that prove there should not have been any such discrepancy?

I just don't want some "expert" to come back and throw it back in our faces and remove all credibility to our claims going forward.

http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php

 

[damon04]

http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount-

 

[derdy]

Enough of this cry baby crap.

You're embarrassing all of us and making Ron look bad.

I'm not embarrassed. I'd rather have my vote counted than not.

 

[jd603]

I also heard 14-15% in hand counted territories.... we need to do some fact-checking.

and as for demographics, it's hard to tell, urban areas use the internets more , seems they'd be at least level with the mountain folk, i used to think the northerns favored paul myself, but that doesn't really make tons of sense all things considered, given the barack/hillary thing and my rage on the morning of voting when I found out i was voting into a diebold machine , i wouldn't even doubt they shifted some votes and jockeyed some positions.

also theres rumor that a key person for LHS Associates is a convicted cocaine traficer amongst other things and they are puling his criminal record....

That article states that Ron Paul's hand counted ballots came to 9.2%, not the 15% that we've seen mentioned on this forum and at dailypaul.com.

We need to see accurate sources for these claims.

If that 15% (handcount) v 7.1% (diebold) is true then an investigation would seem to be required. If that handcount number exceeds a sample of over 5,000 then the statistical probability of getting 7.1% in the rest of the state would be miniscule.

 

[Mark]

The dis-info agents saying not to worry about it are coming out of the woodwork on this one.

It must have them worried.