Next 4 years could bring resurgence of libertarians, conservatives, small-gummit Republicans

[jmdrake]

The answer to that question is simple, he's a fed.
And if not a fed then a leftist trying to trick conservatives into associating with NAZIs.

He didn't have to trick them. Those who showed up did that on their own.

 

[Swordsmyth]

He didn't have to trick them. Those who showed up did that on their own.

They showed up to something he organized.
And many were tricked and didn't know NAZIs were going to be there.

 

[jmdrake]

They showed up to something he organized.
And many were tricked and didn't know NAZIs were going to be there.

So....your argument is conservatives showed up to the rally because someone from Occupy Wallstreet was involved? Ummmm....okay. Retarded argument but okay. As for those who showed up without knowing about the Nazi's, the leader of the Proud Boys put the word out to his organization not to show or else they would be kicked out. Some defied his orders and showed anyway. And those who hung around the next day after the "Tiki torch" march had no excuse.

 

[jmdrake]

Who's fault is that? In 2008 this movement OWNED the internet! Then we got "domesticated" and "civilized." As for social media, this very forum allows people to directly post from Twitter and YouTube but not alternate sites like Mastedon or Bitchute. I posted a whole thread where James Corbett of the excellent CorbettReport.com explains how he has migrated away from being solely on YouTube and where to find him when he is ultimately purged.

Really? Is that a coding issue, or?..

It's a coding issue. Another liberty forum, libertyauthors.com, has fixed this and you can embed bitchute and other videos.

I'll check it out. I've been thinking about getting into some video production myself. Bitchute seems very free-speech, but needs a bit more in the way of "entertainment" material to interest the general populace. I'd be glad to begin adding both substantive and recreational material.

True. I've noticed that libry.tv has a better mix of free speech and entertainment. I found a whole channel dedicated to live streaming a physics simulation game there for example.

Good! That's some bulls***t.

I agree!

Many people are of the same mindset, except they are afraid of Biden. Frustrating.

Yep. This is how I look at it. If you live in a swing state, vote strategically. But if you live in a solid red or blue state, as I do, vote your conscience.

So many people latched on to that bit. She has so many wonderful stances on issues, (abolishing the ATF and income taxes, for example) but people immediately found a thing or two that sounded questionable, and that's all anyone heard about.

Yep!

Something Jorgensen is attempting to navigate by trying to redefine some of the leftist nomenclature. Of course, very use of that nomenclature ("anti-racist" for example) horrifies many right-leaning libertarians. I myself was a bit puzzled by that commentary, but I see what she's trying to do. (A few years back, a term like "anti-racism" would seem quite innocuous. I'd have no problem being an "anti-racist" by previous definition, but it signifies something entirely different these days)

I get it. Ron was in a unique position of having gained the trust of conservative libertarians before reaching out to leftatarians.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So....your argument is conservatives showed up to the rally because someone from Occupy Wallstreet was involved? Ummmm....okay. Retarded argument but okay.

Nice strawman.
My argument is that a leftist helped organize an event that was meant as a trap for conservatives, the conservatives were no doubt unaware of his involvement.

As for those who showed up without knowing about the Nazi's, the leader of the Proud Boys put the word out to his organization not to show or else they would be kicked out.

Not everyone would have heard about that.

 

[jmdrake]

Nice strawman.
My argument is that a leftist helped organize an event that was meant as a trap for conservatives, the conservatives were no doubt unaware of his involvement.

Ah. So the rightest who helped organize it couldn't have done it by themselves. Got it.

Not everyone would have heard about that.

Not everyone would have heard about the Tiki Torch march? Dude you're stretching. That was covered on international news. Maybe some didn't know about it before they got there. But the next day everybody knew. Lastly, you seem blissfully unaware of the fact that National Ziocialists are still socialists but their not Marxists. Just look at those on the alt-right that were ready to back Andrew Yang's universal basic income plan.

 

[Cleaner44]

You neg rep me, and call me a loser.

Yet here you are, champing at the bit to blow town and run away.

To where, I have no $#@!ing idea, as the world is now a prison planet, but that is what you want to do.

After bashing one of the most successful freedom campaigns ever, in Rand Paul.

I wrote those words to point out that, while you are hauling ass, and everybody is busy kissing ass and complying, I will be preparing mind and body to hold the line and die as a martyr and kook.

I have no illusions about how few will stand with me when that time comes, that, let's be honest, doomatarians have been predicting for decades.

But I'm convinced it's as close as it has ever been in my lifetime.

All the Jacobin left needs to start the killing is a new Robespierre.

Enjoy your beach in Belize.

It's liberty or death for me as this all unwinds.

I think this is going to turn out pretty decent as Trump will defeat the Marxist horde, for now anyways.

When you look at the crowds and excitement Trump has at his rallys, it reminds me of 2007-2008. So much fun!

Voters don't really get libertarians, but they do understand the dangers of socialism. Republicans are my allies and in much bigger numbers than libertarians.

Trump is the champion we need at this time to beat back the Bolsheviks. Rand knows this and I just saw him last week at my local Trump rally. Trump is the man.

 

[Madison320]

I used to think that the GOP would go back to pretending to care about small government if a Dem were in the WH, as during the Obama years, and so open up some maneuvering room for libertarians: now, not so much. This shift toward populism and nationalism is likely to be permanent, or at least very long lasting.

I agree. Why would anyone care about small government when it's now a proven fact that all we have to do is print and borrow as much as we need with no downside (except maybe for a little hyperinflation).

 

[Swordsmyth]

Ah. So the rightest who helped organize it couldn't have done it by themselves. Got it.

Where did I say that?
This conversation has been about the motives of the leftist and how he is not and never will be an ally.

Not everyone would have heard about the Tiki Torch march? Dude you're stretching. That was covered on international news. Maybe some didn't know about it before they got there. But the next day everybody knew. Lastly, you seem blissfully unaware of the fact that National Ziocialists are still socialists but their not Marxists. Just look at those on the alt-right that were ready to back Andrew Yang's universal basic income plan.

Please read carefully what I replied to.
I said nothing about the tiki torches, I said not everyone would have known about the warnings before it happened.
Nor have I said anything about the NAZIs not being socialists.

My whole point has been that the leftists that oppose the banksters are not and cannot be our friends, and that includes the NAZIs.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I think this is going to turn out pretty decent as Trump will defeat the Marxist horde, for now anyways.

When you look at the crowds and excitement Trump has at his rallys, it reminds me of 2007-2008. So much fun!

Voters don't really get libertarians, but they do understand the dangers of socialism. Republicans are my allies and in much bigger numbers than libertarians.

Trump is the champion we need at this time to beat back the Bolsheviks. Rand knows this and I just saw him last week at my local Trump rally. Trump is the man.

We can bring them towards our position step by step and Trump is the first step.

 

[PAF]

We can bring them towards our position step by step and Trump is the first step.

I will never follow you. Or trump.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nt-Trump%92s-FY-2021-Budget-Commits-to-Double

 

[Swordsmyth]

I will never follow you. Or trump.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nt-Trump%92s-FY-2021-Budget-Commits-to-Double

Good, we don't want you.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I will never follow you. Or trump.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...nt-Trump%92s-FY-2021-Budget-Commits-to-Double

And that's a nice fake news headline you put on that thread, he is not proposing to double the whole budget.

 

[PAF]

And that's a nice fake news headline you put on that thread, he is not proposing to double the whole budget.

Show me anywhere where I said "whole budget". You are twisting things again, SS.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Show me anywhere where I said "whole budget". You are twisting things again, SS.

LOL

You did it by trimming the headline:
[h=2]"President Trump’s FY 2021 Budget Commits to Double "[/h]This is the REAL headline:

"President Trump’s FY 2021 Budget Commits to Double Investments in Key Industries of the Future"

We aren't stupid.

 

[PAF]

LOL

You did it by trimming the headline:
[h=2]"President Trump’s FY 2021 Budget Commits to Double "[/h]This is the REAL headline:

"President Trump’s FY 2021 Budget Commits to Double Investments in Key Industries of the Future"

We aren't stupid.

And that is exactly what it says in the body of the thread. Look, no edits.

 

[Swordsmyth]

And that is exactly what it says in the body of the thread. Look, no edits.

Which is why I said it was a fake headline.

You are using classic propaganda techniques, you know many people will only read the headline and that most of the rest will have the lying headline stuck in their subconscious even after they read the thread and find out you faked newsed the headline.

 

[Cleaner44]

We can bring them towards our position step by step and Trump is the first step.

The GOP has already moved in our direction. What we started in 2007 has a direct connection to what is happening now.

We argued for ending the pointless wars in the middle east and while we were ridicules in 2008 and 2012, we now have a president that has turned the neocon foreign policy on its head and that drives the DC establishment nuts. The neocons have formed The Lincoln Project and Republican Voters Against Trump, joining with Democrats so everyone can see what they truly are.

We have a Republican party now that is adamantly against Marxism. The GOP of McCain and Romney wouldn't be waging this battle, but the party of Trump is telling the socialists to fuck right off!

The Republican party of 2020 is 100 times more libertarian than the Republican party of 2008. Its a good start and there is no reason not to continue moving the party toward a more libertarian position.

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism.

 

[jmdrake]

Where did I say that?
This conversation has been about the motives of the leftist and how he is not and never will be an ally.




Please read carefully what I replied to.
I said nothing about the tiki torches, I said not everyone would have known about the warnings before it happened.
Nor have I said anything about the NAZIs not being socialists.

My whole point has been that the leftists that oppose the banksters are not and cannot be our friends, and that includes the NAZIs.

What you basically do is ignore all facts that don't fit your narrative an elevate speculation that does. So...supposedly someone from Occupy Wall Street can't like the confederacy and just want to keep Lee's statue up and Nazi's are really leftists who organize a "Unite The Right" rally to embarrass the right because so many people on the right are so stupid that they not only fall for was was public knowledge (that Nazis were organizing this. They had a fvcking permit after all and had to go to court to get it allowed.) And, of course, all of the people on the left like Glenn Grennwald who actually are being helpful in debunking Russiagate and showing that Joe Biden is corrupt are really just doing it to embarrass you. Got it.