Next 4 years could bring resurgence of libertarians, conservatives, small-gummit Republicans

This place is one of the biggest political disappointments in US history. We almost changed the District of Criminals, then little Rand came along (after Ron and Mitt made a deal) and put everyone back to sleep. He SOLD US ALL OUT. And Ron was busy counting $100 dollar bills and schmoozing with Jesse Benton.

For shame.

I can't wait to leave the US.

Whoops, I'm a bit sorry I repped you, now. I don't believe for a second that Ron or Rand are sellouts.

I DO believe that we should not stop fighting, ever.

"What will you do without freedom?! Will you fight?!"
 
1776: The Founding Fathers and the soldiers of the Revolution couldn't win then, either. Really, it was England that collapsed under it's own weight and its other entanglements and debt. The Revolutionaries simply had to endure.

One reason Trump won was growing resentment and popular blowback against an encroaching cancel-culture, rampant "political correctness" and a perceived powerlessness of a multitude. 8-years of Obama's pompous and patronizing oversight was enough to bring to a boil a simmering but silenced populous. (Of course, another would have to be that he was still somewhat palatable to our Unseen Lords.)

If anything, I'd fault the Trump phenomenon for short-circuiting the liberty movement. It sure as hell wasn't the Pauls. Trump has spoken very little in promotion of freedom, though I must say that his presidency has been a bit better than what I had expected.

I can see, that if we must endure the Biden->Harris nightmare, a definite and pronounced backlash will begin to wind its coils, and if we, as constituents of that wound serpent can recognize and adhere to the principles of liberty, self-reliance and limited government, that will potentiate our venom when it comes to striking at the heel of this hive-minded monster before us.
 
This.

Let's assume all the polling is correct: that results in a landslide 45 state+ Biden win, along with the senate and house.

I think you're misreading the polling. Correct or not it's not showing a 45 state landslide. That said, it's possible Biden could get the senate and keep the house.

That means California style uniparty power.

With the exception of the courts...but the "conservatives" on the courts are inconsistent. They seem more interested in protecting the "status quo" no matter what it is. Which means the best they can be counted on doing is slowing things down....a little.

They already own the media organs top to bottom.

Yeah. Except for talk radio. Old news.

They already own academia.

True. Increasing irrelevant but true.

They already own global corporate AmeriKa.

Elon Musk seems independent. But yeah.

They already own pro sports.

They don't own the UFC. Other sports are suffering right now. The NBA has backed away from "wokeness."

They already own the entertainment complex.

Netflix has lost marketshare for pushing virtual child porn through "Cuties" at a time when people still can't get to theaters in a lot of places.

They already own the upper echelons of the military.

That's to be expected. The military always supports the party in power.

They already own the intelligence agencies.

The only good thing to come out of Russiagate is that phony conservatives have finally realized that the intelligence agencies can't be trusted. COINTELPRO was a problem since the 1960s.

They already own social media and the internet.

Who's fault is that? In 2008 this movement OWNED the internet! Then we got "domesticated" and "civilized." As for social media, this very forum allows people to directly post from Twitter and YouTube but not alternate sites like Mastedon or Bitchute. I posted a whole thread where James Corbett of the excellent CorbettReport.com explains how he has migrated away from being solely on YouTube and where to find him when he is ultimately purged.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ouTube-is-Purging-Again-Here-s-How-to-Find-Me

Not a SINGLE response! If I posted some gadfly thread about how we need to "Sue Facebook and Twitter" I'd get some responses. People love doing the impractical rather than the practical.

They already own federal law enforcement and state and local leadership of law enforcement if maybe not the rank and file.

Again, these institutes typically obey the party in power.

So then the effort will be full on consolidation of Marxist power at the federal level: gerrymandering on the 2020 census data, adding pseudo states of DC and PR to add solid Marxist senators to the senate, packing SCOTUS, massive waves of third world migration, and many other lesser efforts.

Welcome to Venezuela Norte', forever.

Or at least until the whole mess collapses due to debt...then the ChiComs come and bail us out and de-facto take over.

And since they have been a thriving society for over 5000 years, I'd say they will take over for as near as "forever" means in human terms.

It was a good run anyways...see ya in the camps.

For all the "dooming and glooming" on the right, there have been significant breakouts on the left. (50 Cent and Ice Cube for example). But they don't always say what the folks already on the right want to hear. The key is that at a time everybody expects minorities to be lock step with the dems cause of the perception of Trump being racist, some are seeing through that. No I'm not expecting a "blexit" or "walkaway" to save Trump 2020. But the idea that you have to vote democrat if you are black is starting to wear thin. Every black person I show Jo Jorgenson videos to likes her, respects what she says, and might even vote for her if they weren't afraid of Trump. Even though Jo's message is 100% libertarian, people here are mad because *gasp* she says private business can address racism. Well...she's right. You might not agree that someone posting "All Lives Matter" is racist. I agree with you. But the point is that black people don't have to run to the government to deal with every slight, real or imagined. When talking about liberty, you have to take the good, along with the bad. This is what was unique about Ron Paul. His name being on the newsletters let the people on the right know he wasn't politically correct even though he denied knowledge or involvement with them. But when he got up on TV and said "The drug war is racist", he let thinking blacks know he isn't against us. But he and Jo have the same message. Government is causing the problems that many people of all political persuasions are angry about. I understand the defensive vote for Trump 2020. But long term for this movement to survive America's great demographic shift, we have to move away from trying to get people to pretend problems don't exist and towards what are the actual solutions to problems. Look at what you said about how the enemy controls the police, the military and the intelligence services. But for decades it's been the left speaking against the police, the military and the intelligence services. The question is how to ride the new anti-establishment consensus in a way that steers the ship the way we want it to go.
 
The question is how to ride the new anti-establishment consensus in a way that steers the ship the way we want it to go.

Is that even possible?...that is the core of what I am asking, long term.

How can an "anti establishment" consensus be "steered" to the concepts of individual freedom, property rights and limited government, when that consensus is rooted in, grown in and fertilized by Maoist Marxism?
 
It almost sounds like someone is not looking forward to Reconstruction 2.0 (TM) for the red hinterlands under the Biden Administration. Your lack of faith in the soon-to-be Glorious Leader is disturbing.

XNN

The Truth and Reconciliation Commission should sort that.
 
Is that even possible?...that is the core of what I am asking, long term.

Yes. By having an actual plan an implementing it. For example:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549866-How-to-turn-protest-into-powerful-change

Right now we are floundering.

How can an "anti establishment" consensus be "steered" to the concepts of individual freedom, property rights and limited government, when that consensus is rooted in, grown in and fertilized by Maoist Marxism?

I disagree vehemently with your assessment. Do you remember the Tea Party movement? It was a mass movement on the right largely galvanized by a backlash to the TARP bailout. Remember Occupy Wallstreet? It was a mass movement on the left largely galvanized by a backlash to the TARP bailout. Remember the "Unite The Right" rally in Charlottesville? One of the organizers was from Occupy Wallstreet. How do you explain people from such disparate perspectives being angry about the same thing if it was all about Marxism?
 
As for social media, this very forum allows people to directly post from Twitter and YouTube but not alternate sites like Mastedon or Bitchute.

Really? Is that a coding issue, or?..

I posted a whole thread where James Corbett of the excellent CorbettReport.com explains how he has migrated away from being solely on YouTube and where to find him when he is ultimately purged.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ouTube-is-Purging-Again-Here-s-How-to-Find-Me

Not a SINGLE response! If I posted some gadfly thread about how we need to "Sue Facebook and Twitter" I'd get some responses. People love doing the impractical rather than the practical.

I'll check it out. I've been thinking about getting into some video production myself. Bitchute seems very free-speech, but needs a bit more in the way of "entertainment" material to interest the general populace. I'd be glad to begin adding both substantive and recreational material.


But the idea that you have to vote democrat if you are black is starting to wear thin.

Good! That's some bulls***t.

Every black person I show Jo Jorgenson videos to likes her, respects what she says, and might even vote for her if they weren't afraid of Trump.

Many people are of the same mindset, except they are afraid of Biden. Frustrating.


Even though Jo's message is 100% libertarian, people here are mad because *gasp* she says private business can address racism. Well...she's right. You might not agree that someone posting "All Lives Matter" is racist. I agree with you.

So many people latched on to that bit. She has so many wonderful stances on issues, (abolishing the ATF and income taxes, for example) but people immediately found a thing or two that sounded questionable, and that's all anyone heard about.

The question is how to ride the new anti-establishment consensus in a way that steers the ship the way we want it to go.

Something Jorgensen is attempting to navigate by trying to redefine some of the leftist nomenclature. Of course, very use of that nomenclature ("anti-racist" for example) horrifies many right-leaning libertarians. I myself was a bit puzzled by that commentary, but I see what she's trying to do. (A few years back, a term like "anti-racism" would seem quite innocuous. I'd have no problem being an "anti-racist" by previous definition, but it signifies something entirely different these days)
 
For one thing: the bridge cannot be RPFs, sadly.

It's pretty cool that these boards are still quite active. Ron Paul ran 12 and 8 years ago. Rand 4. Not every political figure who runs for President has a message board with a lot of people on it years after they ran.
 
Yes. By having an actual plan an implementing it. For example:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?549866-How-to-turn-protest-into-powerful-change

Right now we are floundering.



I disagree vehemently with your assessment. Do you remember the Tea Party movement? It was a mass movement on the right largely galvanized by a backlash to the TARP bailout. Remember Occupy Wallstreet? It was a mass movement on the left largely galvanized by a backlash to the TARP bailout. Remember the "Unite The Right" rally in Charlottesville? One of the organizers was from Occupy Wallstreet. How do you explain people from such disparate perspectives being angry about the same thing if it was all about Marxism?
Easy, the Marxists were mad that Banksters were getting wealth redistributed to them instead of he Marxists.
 
It's pretty cool that these boards are still quite active. Ron Paul ran 12 and 8 years ago. Rand 4. Not every political figure who runs for President has a message board with a lot of people on it years after they ran.
I love this place. Don't get me wrong. Its sad, but this is my community. Having said that, there has been a veritable profusion of bad actors here and thus, RPF's is not the appropriate place to begin cultivating a liberty oriented pushback to any of this. Not that it matter much, since such a push back would require the intervention of a literary caliber deus ex machina lol.
 
Anybody here who thinks defeat is a forgone conclusion should just hang it up now. We may not get the "Ron Paul freedom" we all fantasized about in our youth but the idea that a bunch of green haired malnurished losers, government hacks, talking heads and computer nerds are going to defeat 1000 years of enlightenment in which was earned through blood is kind of weak and short sighted.
 
Anybody here who thinks defeat is a forgone conclusion should just hang it up now. We may not get the "Ron Paul freedom" we all fantasized about in our youth but the idea that a bunch of green haired malnurished losers, government hacks, talking heads and computer nerds are going to defeat 1000 years of enlightenment in which was earned through blood is kind of weak and short sighted.
The future is ours if we don't throw it away by refusing our true allies like Trump.
 
You are the one hearing a whooshing noise from the point going over your head.
The Marxists are our enemy just as much as the Banksters.

Your explanation as to why a member of Occupy WallStreet helped organize the Unite The Right rally is.....? And not everyone on the left is a Marxist. And not everyone on the right is a capitalist.
 
Your explanation as to why a member of Occupy WallStreet helped organize the Unite The Right rally is.....? And not everyone on the left is a Marxist. And not everyone on the right is a capitalist.

The answer to that question is simple, he's a fed.
And if not a fed then a leftist trying to trick conservatives into associating with NAZIs.
 
Anybody here who thinks defeat is a forgone conclusion should just hang it up now. We may not get the "Ron Paul freedom" we all fantasized about in our youth but the idea that a bunch of green haired malnurished losers, government hacks, talking heads and computer nerds are going to defeat 1000 years of enlightenment in which was earned through blood is kind of weak and short sighted.

Do NOT under-estimate these people.

Nobody but us, and we are a tiny remnant, believes in that 1000 year enlightenment anymore.

This is a life or death war against a committed, organized, well funded and politically and law enforcement protected enemy.

Yes, as individuals these people are ludicrous losers.

But as part of a larger organization, they are a formidable force to be taken seriously and crushed.
 
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