Newbie wants to get into Silver and Gold

I've been hearing a lot of radio ads on buying gold.

This is a nice idea, but how can one even possibly do this when the dollar is weak and one is living paycheck to paycheck? Especially now that one cannot afford their house payment and the house value has tanked?

Well, my concerns is when I am able to buy gold or silver, what about how safe it is to have it?

I thought I heard about someone coining a Ron Paul gold coin and didn't the IRS raid it and take it away?

That shocks me and I'd hate for that to happen with an investment.

What protections, if any, do we have for owning gold/silver?

It seems like only the 2nd Amendment...

Any thoughts?
 
I've been hearing a lot of radio ads on buying gold.

This is a nice idea, but how can one even possibly do this when the dollar is weak and one is living paycheck to paycheck? Especially now that one cannot afford their house payment and the house value has tanked?

Well, my concerns is when I am able to buy gold or silver, what about how safe it is to have it?

I thought I heard about someone coining a Ron Paul gold coin and didn't the IRS raid it and take it away?

That shocks me and I'd hate for that to happen with an investment.

What protections, if any, do we have for owning gold/silver?

It seems like only the 2nd Amendment...

Any thoughts?

dig a hole, put coins in hole, cover hole with dirt, cover back with grass. 8)
 
This is a nice idea, but how can one even possibly do this when the dollar is weak and one is living paycheck to paycheck? Especially now that one cannot afford their house payment and the house value has tanked?

Sell your house, preserve what's left of your equity and move into a rental. I know it might sound extreme, but it's better than losing your equity and eventually ending up under water, as many people already have. Another big plus is that your monthly expenses will go down.

Buy gold a few grams at a time through a vaulted storage service like BullionVault. They give you a free gram to start (about $30 worth). An alternative is to buy shares in a gold ETF like GLD, which you can do through any brokerage account. Shares trade at 1/10th the price of gold, so about $91 each as of today.

Buying silver is another option. A $10 roll of 90% silver sells for around $120 today. You could probably buy even less at a time if you want. Most coin dealers carry that type of silver.


Well, my concerns is when I am able to buy gold or silver, what about how safe it is to have it?

Secrecy is 99% of safety. Vaulted services have many advantages in that way.


I thought I heard about someone coining a Ron Paul gold coin and didn't the IRS raid it and take it away?

That shocks me and I'd hate for that to happen with an investment.

What protections, if any, do we have for owning gold/silver?

The Ron Paul Liberty Dollars were seized due to accusations about counterfeiting. That particular reason couldn't be used against coins issued by the US or foreign mints.

This is another advantage of a vaulted storage service, since your gold can be stored in a vault in another country, like Switzerland, where it can't be seized.

Whatever you do, don't use a safety deposit box.
 
My rule of thumb is to always buy precious metals in physical form. I don't buy metals stocks or invest in pool accounts. Some of the pool accounts have pretty high fees to convert your online gold or silver into physical form should you ever want it and if the metals really take off they may not have enough to distribute to everyone. They don't actually set your gold aside with your name on it it is kind of a fractional rserve system where they might sell an ounce of gold to 3 people betting that no more than 1 will ever call for it in physical form at any given time. If the market gets crazy you could find out the hard way that you don't actually "own" metals and going round and round with a company when you really need your savings isn't a position I want to be in.

Buy in physical forms of reliable measure such as government issued gold or silver coins, or stamped bars from a reputable source. Everyone knows that a 1964 JFK hald dollar piece is 90$ silver, if you get an unstamped bar or round somewhere you're taking their word as to actual purity and content.

If you're on a budget just buy a few coins at a time. You can get a roll of 40% JFK silvers for about $50 or single coins for $2.50 and a 1/10th gold Krugerrand or American Eagle for about $110-$125. Hold about 70% of your precious metals savings in silver and 30% in gold.

If you're using your metals as a long term savings and you have say $1000 to work with then buy $300 in gold and $700 in silver. If at sometime in the future they each jump up and your gold is worth $400 and your silver is worth $900 then sell $100 in gold and $200 in silver to get back to your $1000 and hold the cash until the market drops again then reinvest your profits into more metals. If you're smart about it you can greatly increase your holdings volume over the years.
 
This is another advantage of a vaulted storage service, since your gold can be stored in a vault in another country, like Switzerland, where it can't be seized.

The drawback to that is that if the US could institute an import ban later and you could be stuck taking useless US dollars for your gold or silver in a situation where people reject fiat currency and only want to barter in gold or silver. Just buy it in physical form and put it up somewhere safe and don't tell everyone and their brother how much gold and silver you have and show it off. It's hard for the government to confiscate what they don't know exists.
 

Just buy it in physical form and put it up somewhere safe and don't tell everyone and their brother how much gold and silver you have and show it off. It's hard for the government to confiscate what they don't know exists.


yes keep it on the low down ...

dont start a thread saying ... yippee I just bought 100oz of gold! :p
 
If I go to my local coin dealer what should I look for? Whats the absolute best buy you can get? I do not plan on buying from a vault, because if I cant touch it, I really do not own it I am at the will of the government. Will they allow me to import, or allow the company to ship if the economy goes south.
 
Some of the pool accounts have pretty high fees to convert your online gold or silver into physical form should you ever want it and if the metals really take off they may not have enough to distribute to everyone. They don't actually set your gold aside with your name on it it is kind of a fractional rserve system where they might sell an ounce of gold to 3 people betting that no more than 1 will ever call for it in physical form at any given time. If the market gets crazy you could find out the hard way that you don't actually "own" metals and going round and round with a company when you really need your savings isn't a position I want to be in.

I can't argue with anyone who would rather take personal possession of their gold. There are certainly many good reasons to do so. Unfortunately, it's not always practical or safe.

I agree with you about pool accounts. What you've described is called "unallocated" storage, and most third-party remote-storage accounts are like that (though if they're doing any sort of "fractional" sales, that would be fraudulent). The alternative is "allocated" storage, where the gold is actually set aside and held in your name. If the company you're working with were to go bankrupt or something, the gold would still be yours; the company's creditors can't touch it. You can also usually request physical delivery, though it's more complicated in some cases than others depending on how the gold is physically held. The only companies I know of that offer allocated gold are: GoldMoney, BullionVault and the Perth Mint (through their certificate program).
 
Does anyone here purchase large amount from local dealers? I bought my first piece of silver ever from a local shop and the guys said if you spend over 1000 fiat dollars you don't have to pay tax.
 
I live in New Hampshire, I dont have the problem (I dont think Ive never bought coins) :D

Does anyone here purchase large amount from local dealers? I bought my first piece of silver ever from a local shop and the guys said if you spend over 1000 fiat dollars you don't have to pay tax.
 
He probably SHOULD be charging you tax but is willing to not ring up the sale and show it on his records if you spend $1000 or more.

If I go to my local coin dealer what should I look for?

Silver I would buy either 40% silver 1965-1970 JFK halves [closest buy to actual face value of coin at about 4.5X face] but a lot of people buy 90% silver 1964 and over coins [go for about 11x face] The closer to face you buy the less money you'll lose if the silver market gets flooded again and prices plummet. You can buy 2 40% 50 cent pieces [$1 face value] for $4-$5 and they're guaranteed to always be worth a dollar even if silver value drops below that, or you can buy 10 90% silver dimes [also $1 face value] for $10-$11 and they're also always worth at least a dollar. If prices plummet you could lose $9-$10 on the dimes but only $3-$4 on the half dollars. There's more silver content in the dimes but you're taking a bigger risk on them too. By buying the %40 halves you can lower your losses in the event of a market catastrophe

In gold buy either chip gold from a reputable manufacturer that is sealed and stamped with the weight [you can get this closer to spot than coins] or the South African Krugerrand or American gold eagles.

Whatever you do never buy coins that are priced far above their face value because they're "collector coins' with an excellent grading from some coin grader. In a time of crisis no one will care how pretty a coin is or how well it was stamped and they wont give you the premium you payed on it they'll only be worried about the actual metal content of the coin and an average gold eagle will be worth the same as an MS70 perfectly minted gold eagle.
 
Well i made my first big purchase yesterday.
I'll post what i got in a bit , but now i'm off to be poll watcher!
 
He probably SHOULD be charging you tax but is willing to not ring up the sale and show it on his records if you spend $1000 or more.

If I go to my local coin dealer what should I look for?

Silver I would buy either 40% silver 1965-1970 JFK halves

Some states have laws that bullion transactions over $1000 are not taxable.

Also, before you buy 40% silver or any form of silver, ask the dealer about their buy back price if you ever decide to sell. You should aim to buy the one with the least amount of spread - difference in buy vs sell price with the dealer.
 
several factors will effect the price of gold n silver in the coming months.

Iran is opening an oil borse this month! Iranian oil will no longer be traded in US dollars, but in euros, so from this, the US dollar will drop more.

Japan has been told by Iran that they will accept Yen for oil, but not US dollars, Venesuela has said they will join in, along with syria and russia, so alot of demand for the dollar will fall big from this....it's just a matter of time.
I beleive as well as GATA, that the FED bankers have been manipulating the price of gold to keep the USD looking good, but all the fundamnetlas point to the dollar loosing alot of its value.......many things indicate there is a big drop in the USD coming.....M3 fed reports are no more, the Suadis have threatened us to decouple oil from the dollar if we hurt Iran's oil borse, latest news says we've cut under sea communication cable of the iranians to stall the oil borse, our own economy going into recession, the china economic bubble...... there are many threats to the collapse of the dollar. Some have said they see the USdollar fallng 50% from were it's at now. add in the fac tthat the fed is diluting it thru inflation and the 3.1 trillion dollar bush propsed budget...... there is just so many factors playing into this. This could be an opportunity of a life time if you play your cards right....... if you buy gold n silver and real estate goes down, as silver goes up, you could cash in the silver and buy real estate for dirt cheap if the scenario I think is coming plays out that way.
Plus add in the factors that if we are headed for a hard recession and this hurts china, they will dump some of their many dollars on the market to help them get thru this turbulant time...... with dollar heavy china, japan and the middle east and the fact that the value of the dollar is dropping and the temptation of central bankers to want to "diversify" (dump) out of the dollar, I can;t see too much of a drop coming in precious metals...... there are just too many fundamental factors playing into precious metals rising alot more......... I can see silver over $30 an oz and gold over $1200 an oz soon and much more due to the dumping of the USD.
We are entering into a really turbulant time for the USD IMO.
Ther eis the factor of the production, but I don't see prodcution keeping up with the dumping of the dollar events that are going to take place in the near future. I see a gold rush coming.
When I buy, i buy for the long, so i don't worry about if Gold is at $930 or $850. I buy the dips and hold at these little peeks becasue I never know when it's gonna take off big, but I expect some future geo political events and frail economics to take gold and silver up in a big way........ some of these events could make silve rand gold jump and not come back down.
I also diversify. I keep some USD around for spending and living of course, but you don't want too many of those around in case soemthing does happena nd they loose 30% in a matter of a couple days on one of these big events to come, like war with Iran or china dumping the dollar...... notice some big wig form the middle east bought 10% of the Nasdaq...... we needed to alow them to do that becasue they were dollar heavy and if we didn't, they would dump those dollars to move them into some kind of hard asset. I expect, that if a dollar dump or too much dollars are in one's coffer, they will move those dollars into hard assets....then those dollars will be moved around and eventually dumped somewhere on the market. There are just too many USDollars around becasue of the Fed's overprinting of them and I expect the supply side of the USD not to be lacking at all these next 5 years.
Everything says the FED will continue to dilute and over print the dollar to stav off inflation. if they don't do this, the China bubble will bust some, causing them to dump some dollars, them it will have a ripple effect to the middle east, where oil will cost alot more and a whole economic global ripple effect could take place and then, Burnthebanke will be forced to either raise interest rates and firmly implant us in stagflation, which will cause a global recession and the dyumping of the dollar by foreign makrets to cover their buts or keep inflating and devaluing the dollar eventually with hyper inflation....either way, I see a safe haven in gold n silver...... these next 3 years are gonna be some of the most exciting economic times....also some of the most heart wrenching times for thos ewho chose to go the uneducated route......
 
Well i made my first big purchase yesterday.
I'll post what i got in a bit , but now i'm off to be poll watcher!

Below is the receipt from my first purchase, i'm trying to make sense of it all and i was hoping you guys could help since i'm still learning all this stuff....

Anyways i spent $1000, i asked him to divide it up evenly between 40% half dollars, 60% half dollars and SAE.
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I believe it was February 4th when i made the purchase... I didn't record the spot price used....8(
 
Below is the receipt from my first purchase, i'm trying to make sense of it all and i was hoping you guys could help since i'm still learning all this stuff....

Anyways i spent $1000, i asked him to divide it up evenly between 40% half dollars, 60% half dollars and SAE.
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I believe it was February 4th when i made the purchase... I didn't record the spot price used....8(

I'm sorry to say this but I think you got jacked. Looks like he charged you about 30% over actual value.

27.50 for silver american eagles???? You can get them online for in the 19's each with shipping.
 
Don't overlook silver and gold bars from reputable manufacturers. Same goes with silver rounds. As long as they`re bought from a reputable dealer you are OK. On the net APMEX is my favorite. 90% coins are better for WTSHTF scenarios than rounds or bars though, as someone pointed out. Best thing to do is diversify, don't put all your eggs in one basket and you will be fine. :cool:
 
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