Newbie buying a gun

To the original post:

Based on your limited experience with guns and an honest evaluation that you won't be spending a whole lot of time on the range or in expensive tactical shooting schools, buy a Mossberg 500, Maverick 88 (Mossberg) or Remington 870 (all outstanding guns) in 12 gauge with an 18 1/2 " barrel. Don't do anything else to it. No doodads or "Tacticool" crap. Just the basic shotgun. Stoke with some buckshot, size optional, and you are good to go. Do go out somewhere in the country and put some shells through it to get an idea of where it is hitting (point of impact) and then clean it, load the magazine tube and put it near bed.

Can't go wrong. I Carry Concealed with license daily, but at night , at home, it is my Maverick 88 that assumes the duty for Home Defense.
 
Sorry Rambo---but it appears that I need to remind you AGAIN that we are discussing the best HOME DEFENSE firearm for an ABSOLUTE BEGINNER.

Sorry, Rambo, but it appears as if you and I are discussing the best HOME DEFENSE for an absolute beginner, not the best HANDGUN. That's something you, and your handgun instructor self has forgotten.

You've forgotten that you, with all your handgun skills would have to completely re-work your tactics in order to handle me with a shotgun, yet you can't quite give away that to your students. Me with a shotgun and you with a sidearm equals you lose, and you don't' have an answer to that which doesn't make you look foolish.

In short the handgun brings requirements and expertise to the table. You can't defend your home against a man with a rifle while depending on a handgun unless you know exactly what the hell you are doing exactly when you are doing it. That doesn't hold true with a shotgun. You don't need hours of expert training before you stand a chance of coming out on top and alive with a 12GA, all you need to do is open fire. All you need to do is disrupt your enemies decision making cycles, and 12GA buckshot fired at a man holding a 180 grain .45 ACP will most definitely fuck up that decision making cycle. The power of the shotgun, wielded by one of minimal training will time and time again overshadow the expert in the art of the pistol. That's just natural physical law. The shotgun carries more physical devastation, more energy. If you have no desire to conceal, and you have no desire to carry, than make damn sure a 12GA is in your home and ready to go. If you don't want, or need, light and fast, make for damn sure you have the loud and heavy covered.


I'm sorry, but you are falling victim to your own practice. When you are a carpenter wielding a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail. You are a HANDGUN instructor. Realize your own weaknesses and don't make others do it for you.
 
Last edited:
I feel like this should be the first ever Bearing Arms thread to get to moved to Hot Topics.
 
I EDC with a revolver or a Glock, and I mean everyday. I am proficient with both weapons and feel reasonably confident with either. But, at home, the Maverick 88 12 gauge is the weapon of choice after darkness falls. I am never at my best when aroused from a deep sleep and the combat is going to be at very close range and limited lighting. In this arena (limited visibility, slower reactions and nose to nose range) the SG is King! To my own thinking, there is no other weapon that is even competition in the home to a 12 gauge pump shotgun loaded with buckshot. One sided gunfight!
 
I feel like this should be the first ever Bearing Arms thread to get to moved to Hot Topics.

I agree.

Jesus weeping Christ, a self admitted newbie asked a very serious, perhaps the most serious question one could ask, wanting nothing more than some solid advice on which to base his decision on a first firearm, and inevitably, somebody has to pop up who is the "living end" of all firearm wisdom and all must bow or be smitten into everlasting internet nothingness before his awesome prowess.

State your opinion, the reasons why and then STFU, how 'bout it?
 
Ok everyone, please remember we are all on the same side here and keep it civil.
 
Last edited:
A 9mm wouldn't be bad for a first gun. The kick isn't real hard, and they can do damage.

Make sure to get some training if you've never fired one before.
Yes, 9mm is a good choice and the gun of choice for many people. People are always talking about stopping power, but a lot of the value behind having a gun is that having it means you will not have to use it. And unlike animals who, when they are shot, do not have a clue what is going on, when a person is shot there is a large amount of psychology involved that has nothing to do with stopping power. Now, a crazed lunatic on PCP is one thing, but a typical intruder, assuming they are not put off by just seeing a gun, is certainly going to panic and think "Oh my God, I've been shot!" and just as likely keel over from fear or run away regardless of what they have been shot with and the amount of stopping power involved.
 
OK, I read this entire thread, and there are others like it; and, there are varying views from you guys who know your stuff.

As another newbie, I've been doing a little reading, and in addition to this forum, a friend advised me to decide first the purpose of the weapon: home defense? Sport? Then, he asked me whether I'm going to use it often for target practice. Furthermore, he asked me to consider the cost of ammunition, and finally, whether I will keep it loaded.

He said a revolver is good for self-defense and very easy to use for beginners, but he also said that for home defense, a .40 or .45 semi-automatic pistol would be better than a revolver because it has more rounds - and, if I do not plan on keeping it loaded, the semi-auto would be a better choice.

I plan on taking a gun safety course as well as going to a range to try some handguns. I've read good things about the following: Glock, S&W, and Colt; and, my friend said he does not recommend the Taurus.

Any other input, gentlemen? I'm leaning towards a pistol because it carries more rounds.
 
OK, I read this entire thread, and there are others like it; and, there are varying views from you guys who know your stuff.

As another newbie, I've been doing a little reading, and in addition to this forum, a friend advised me to decide first the purpose of the weapon: home defense? Sport? Then, he asked me whether I'm going to use it often for target practice. Furthermore, he asked me to consider the cost of ammunition,

So far, so good.

and finally, whether I will keep it loaded.

The gun won't do you much good if it is not loaded. :)

He said a revolver is good for self-defense and very easy to use for beginners,

First part is right on. Second part is not. Revolvers require greater skill than semis, generally speaking. That said, they are still the best choice overall in terms of reliability. There are few things in life you want to happen less than have your gun malfunction when your bacon is on the line. I have several semiauto pistols, but I carry a highly tweaked 686 everywhere I go. It is my weapon of choice.

but he also said that for home defense, a .40 or .45 semi-automatic pistol would be better than a revolver because it has more rounds -

Faulty reasoning. When you get your pistol, the smartest thing you will ever do with it is get your hide to the range, learn safe handling, and then marksmanship. When someone is in your house at 2AM uninvited, you will be shitting large anvils. If you do not know which end of the gun the bullet comes out, you will be tempting fate. DON'T DO IT. Train yourself because even with a goodly amount of training you will be sweating masonry nails.

When your skills are well developed, you will not likely need more than 6 rounds. If you do, you may in more trouble than you can handle and in that case 1000 rounds may not be enough. Don't go for the high capacity bullshit, because that is all it is. Those guns were designed for two purposes, the first being for use in actual open combat (warfare) and the other for stupid, lazy cops and their stupid, stingy departments that no longer train them well in marksmanship. A 20-round mag is all nice and well, but if you cannot hit the broad side of a barn all the ammo under heaven isn't going to help you a bit.

and, if I do not plan on keeping it loaded, the semi-auto would be a better choice.

Not sure about the reasoning. Will you carry the gun?

I plan on taking a gun safety course as well as going to a range to try some handguns.

Good thinking. :)

I've read good things about the following: Glock, S&W, and Colt; and, my friend said he does not recommend the Taurus.

By us we're fond of saying that Glocks are fine as long as you don't intend on hitting anything you're shooting at. :)

I would check out a S&W revolver. If you buy one, take it immediately to a GOOD gunsmith and have him go through it, especially have the trigger tuned and a lighter hammer spring installed. The latter is, IMO, important in helping you develop good double-action shooting skill.

If you're not carrying, I would recommend a large-frame S&W. I carry a K-frame, which is very large, but I am used to it and I don't care if some peoples' eyes bug out of their heads when they see the huge bulge on my hip. They can get over it or get bent. :)

Smith makes a very nice, though pricey, large-frame, 8-shot revolver with an aluminum frame - it is all black and for the life of me I cannot recall the model. It is a very nice revolver IMO and after a standard tuning would make a fine gun for carry.

If perchance your weapon is for home-defense only, I would recommend a shotgun. New ENgland Arms makes an 870 clone in 12 ga. that is excellent and not terribly expensive - about $250 last I looked (about 2 years ago). Steel receiver, 20" barrel, 6 round capacity, cylinder bore - you really cannot go wrong there. Made in China, but so it just about everything else anymore, so be practical. I have one and it has been extremely reliable and that is the watchword in the game of self defense. Don't be fancy - be RELIABLE. A fancy gun isn't going to mean much to you when you are dead.
 
Can you carry where you are?

If I had to start with just one gun and had the ability to conceal carry or open, I would start with a reliable handgun.

This would allow you to be armed as much as possible.

If you aren't going to carry then I would prefer a rifle for the home.

Revolvers or semi-auto doesn't matter as much as shot placement. Doesn't matter how many shots you take if you miss.

Don't overlook .357 magnum in revolvers though. It's a proven manstopper.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top