New Zealand Terror Attack: Australian gunman shoots dead several people in Christchurch mosque

[Anti Federalist]

Mostly just thinking out loud here, but..

What is your definition of the "alt-right"? (Asking because it seems there are a lot of people with a lot of different views getting lumped under that umbrella term, so not sure who you are referring to.)

How do you know the deranged crazy people aren't deranged crazy people coerced to do deranged crazy things to make the "alt-right" look deranged and crazy?

What if some things have been spun in the media to look deranged and crazy but in actuality there is a logical explanation, possibly including self-defense or defense of another? (I'm obviously NOT talking about this shooting, of course. Thinking more of the Deandre Harris case, for example.)

Maybe not deranged and crazy at all.

Maybe just fed up and had enough.

 

[Stratovarious]

Let me guess ;

Gun Free zone?

 

[acptulsa]

Too soon?

Was yesterday too soon for this:

They may end up renaming Christchurch "Muhammadmosque"

?

 

[Anti Federalist]

6:00 AM — (AP) — National carrier Air New Zealand has canceled at least 17 flights in and out of Christchurch, saying it couldn’t screen customers and their baggage following deadly shootings at two mosques. The airline said some smaller planes traveling on regional routes were canceled while larger jet planes would continue landing and taking off due to security screening processes already in place.

Typically, passengers on smaller turboprop aircraft traveling to or from Christchurch don’t go through security screening and are able to walk right onto the plane. Air New Zealand said the safety of its customers and employees was paramount and apologized for the inconvenience.

Well, count on that going away.

 

[AngryCanadian]

By the way.
https://torontosun.com/2017/01/30/premier-kathleen-wynne-displays-grace-at-mosque/wcm/b67644ad-9a16-4aa6-a7b2-5a3236d371be

http://www.informationliberation.com/files/tb-truth-bombers-retweeted-truth-bombers-truth-bombers-6h-canadian-14464985.jpg

 

[Origanalist]

This type of thing happens to Christian churches all the time in the Middle East and Africa, and nobody bats an eye.
But when it happens to a mosque, we're all supposed to hear the media's dogwhistle and start barking.

Not to mention all the cover they get in the newly transformed European countries. I just can't seem to work up any empathy here.

 

[timosman]

Fury as Australian senator blames Christchurch attack on Muslim immigration

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ming-new-zealand-attack-on-muslim-immigration

15 Mar 2019

An Australian senator has been strongly criticised after he blamed the New Zealand shooting on Muslim immigration.

Following the attack, which left 49 people dead at two mosques in Christchurch, Fraser Anning tweeted: “Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence?”

In a statement shared by an Australian journalist on Twitter, the Queensland senator also wrote: “As always, leftwing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views, but this is all cliched nonsense.

“The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

The remarks were denounced by the UK home secretary, Sajid Javid, who accused the senator of stoking extremism.

“At a time for grieving and reflection, this Australian senator … fans the flames of violence & extremism,” he tweeted.

“Australians will be utterly ashamed of this racist man. In no way does he represent our Australian friends.”

Australia’s prime minister, Scott Morrison, said: “The remarks by Senator Fraser Anning blaming the murderous attacks by a violent, rightwing, extremist terrorist in New Zealand on immigration are disgusting.

“Those views have no place in Australia, let alone the Australian parliament.”

The former Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull wrote: “Fraser Anning’s comments today are contemptible.

“He is a disgrace to the Senate and what is worse, by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other, he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.”

 

[unknown]

Most things are False Flags these days and this one smells more like one than most.

False flags usually have circumstances or details which cause people to question whether the event was staged or real.

So far, this one seems to be legit.

I also owe you a negative rep for the second one you gave me.

 

[dannno]

Australian. Ethno-nationalist. Anti-capitalist, anti-individualist. Brevik, turner diaries. Radicalized in Europe. etc etc. Thinks your culture is genetic.

Also Ex An-cap.

How many fucking an-caps were an-caps cuz they thought you could be racist in an an-cap utopia?

A few issues here. You can be racist in any society, not just an an-cap society.. and you certainly can't expect to just murder people in an an-cap society and get away with it. In many societies, you cannot be racist to the extent that you can't serve people in your business, but I think very few racists are attracted to an-cap for the sole reason that they would not have to serve people in their business. You could also have government that allows people to freely associate and do business with whoever they wanted. Not to mention, an-caps are open borders, so while they wouldn't be required to serve people of another race in their restaurant they would not be able to stop them from moving there. I just don't see a lot of racists supporting open borders.

People are typically attracted to an-cap because they don't have confidence that a group who has declared a monopoly on violence to be the best arbiters in society and because they don't like when government gets in the way of free market economics.

There is a big difference between a racist who doesn't want to serve someone in their business or whathaveyou and a racist who wants to kill a bunch of people from another race. I don't see how anybody who wants closed borders and wants to kill people from another race would be attracted to an ideology based on the non-aggression principle. There is a sliver of folks who are racist but are ok with open borders as long as there is free association.

Another big issue I have is how the media refers to people who are big government socialists and also happen to be racists as right-wing.

 

[unknown]

They are no innocents in an invasion, all those who colonize other peoples lands share guilt.

Isnt he justifying the rights of people to defend themselves against all "colonization" or invasions?

The UK, Izrael, our government since WW2 etc.

 

[dannno]

False flags usually have circumstances or details which cause people to question whether the event was staged or real.

So far, this one seems to be legit.

I also owe you a negative rep for the second one you gave me.

That is totally incorrect. Things can be 'staged' to an extent and still actually happen, for example the Boston Marathon Bombing. They can blame patsies who were not involved, or they can use their own patsies. Then there is MK-Ultra to consider.

The Reichstag ACTUALLY burned down.

The twin towers ACTUALLY fell and killed thousands of people.

People may have very well ACTUALLY died in the Aurora shooting.

All false flags.

An example of what you seem to be talking about is something like the Gulf of Tonkin, which didn't actually happen, it was staged on a communications platform used by the military.

Some people hypothesize Sandy Hook was 'staged' and that nobody was actually hurt.

There are false flags of many stripes.

 

[unknown]

That is totally incorrect. Things can be 'staged' to an extent and still actually happen, for example the Boston Marathon Bombing. They can blame patsies who were not involved, or they can use their own patsies. Then there is MK-Ultra to consider.

The Reichstag ACTUALLY burned down.

The twin towers ACTUALLY fell and killed thousands of people.

People may have very well ACTUALLY died in the Aurora shooting.

All false flags.

An example of what you seem to be talking about is something like the Gulf of Tonkin, which didn't actually happen, it was staged on a communications platform used by the military.

Some people hypothesize Sandy Hook was 'staged' and that nobody was actually hurt.

There are false flags of many stripes.

I used the word staged but I essentially agree with what yorue saying.

At this point, it doesnt seem like a false flag.

 

[kahless]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ming-new-zealand-attack-on-muslim-immigration

More context on his statement.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/australian-politician-blames-mosque-shooting-on-muslim-immigration/

Fraser Anning, a senator in Queensland, issued a statement in which he described the attacks as “vigilantism,” saying that “while Muslims may be the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators,” according to the New Zealand Herald.

He added: “Worldwide, Muslims are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale.”

“As always, left-wing politicians and the media will rush to claim that the causes of today’s shootings lie with gun laws or those who hold nationalist views but this is all clichéd nonsense,” the 69-year-old continued.

“The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”

He went on to say he is “utterly opposed to any form of violence within our community, and I totally condemn the actions of the gunman.

“However, whilst this kind of violent vigilantism can never be justified, what it highlights is the growing fear within our community, both in Australia and New Zealand, of the increasing Muslim presence,” he said, calling Islam the “religious equivalent of fascism.”

Anning doubled down on Twitter later.

“Does anyone still dispute the link between Muslim immigration and violence?” he wrote.

“I wonder if there will be as much outrage from the left wing when the next Muslim terrorist attack occurs? Most likely silence and talk about ‘lone wolf attacks, mental illness and no connection to Islam,’” he said in another tweet.

The shooter wrote a manifesto about it but anyone that points out the shooters stated motivation is a racist or hate monger. Stating facts is spewing hate or racism as usual.

“He is a disgrace to the Senate and what is worse, by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other, he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.” Says the anti-white or anti-Christian.

I hate these lying anti-white, anti-Christian news media scum and their lying politicians almost as much as I hate what the shooter did.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

This story's headlines also show how New Zealand (and perhaps Europe) can be very different from US in handling indictments/sentencing of such violent actions. It appears they don't have 'hate crime' clause like US or death penalty:



New Zealand:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/15/asia/new-zealand-christchurch-mosque-shooting-suspect-intl/index.html

Suspect in New Zealand mass shooting charged with murder
March 15, 201
CNN)A 28-year-old man has been charged with murder in connection with an unprecedented attack on two mosques in the New Zealand city of Christchurch on Friday, which left at least 49 people dead.

On Twitter, Ranstorp noted that the New Zealand shooter claimed he would leave prison after 27 years and likened himself to late South African President Nelson Mandela, saying he would get the Nobel Peace Prize.




US:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justic...rges-in-charleston-church-shooting-1437587642

Alleged Charleston Church Shooter Indicted on Federal Hate Crime Charges

Dylann Roof sentenced to death for the murders of nine black church members
Jury announced their decision that Roof should be executed after he was convicted last month of 33 federal charges, including murder and hate crimes






Earlier thought this was a a World Affairs story but now Drudge Report and MSM are covering it extensively.

Some other headlines on Drudge currently:

Candace Owens Ripped for ‘LOL’ Reaction After New Zealand Massacre Suspect Named Her Biggest Influence


In several tweets, Owens jeered at critics whom she said were attempting to pin responsibly for the mass shooting on her

Jon Levine | March 15

https://www.thewrap.com/candace-owe...massacre-suspect-named-her-biggest-influence/

Report: Good Guy with Gun Chased, Shot at New Zealand Attackers

BREAKING: The New Zealand Herald reports that the shooting at the second mosque was stopped by an armed Muslim who "chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off." pic.twitter.com/BA2FzsXq2d
— Ryan Saavedra (@RealSaavedra) March 15, 2019




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[Stratovarious]

an cap pat cam tin wan un canem port tellu

 

[Ender]

I used the word staged but I essentially agree with what yorue saying.

At this point, it doesnt seem like a false flag.

My definition of a "false flag" is something that was set up & completed by the alphabets.

A patsy who has been mind-controlled & driven to do something horrendous isn't a "false flag". JMHPOV

 

[Ender]

Isnt he justifying the rights of people to defend themselves against all "colonization" or invasions?

The UK, Izrael, our government since WW2 etc.

Actually since the 1400's and before.

 

[unknown]

My definition of a "false flag" is something that was set up & completed by the alphabets.

A patsy who has been mind-controlled & driven to do something horrendous isn't a "false flag". JMHPOV

Like a Esteban Santiago situation:

Fort Lauderdale suspect claimed government was controlling his mind months before shooting.

Two months before the shooting, they said, he was admitted to a mental-health facility after showing up at an FBI field office and telling agents his mind was being controlled, complaining that the government was forcing him to watch Islamic State videos.

 

[timosman]

Actually since the 1400's and before.

There is no spoon.

 

[Ender]

More context on his statement.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/15/australian-politician-blames-mosque-shooting-on-muslim-immigration/


The shooter wrote a manifesto about it but anyone that points out the shooters stated motivation is a racist or hate monger. Stating facts is spewing hate or racism as usual.

“He is a disgrace to the Senate and what is worse, by spreading hatred and turning Australians against each other, he is doing exactly what the terrorists want.” Says the anti-white or anti-Christian.

I hate these lying anti-white, anti-Christian news media scum and their lying politicians almost as much as I hate what the shooter did.

It's not Muslims who are killing people around the world on an industrial scale-