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New video from last night - #Ferguson
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Kinda what I was thinking. At some point soon this is going to boil over. Either a "protestor" is going to shoot or get shot. I imagine if they do so there will be a tremendous amount of bloodshed.
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If the parabola was accurate enough. I would think that a satellite dish would be to wide since its trying receive signal from a satellite up in the atmosphere. Haven't you ever been to a kids museum? They've got dishes set up that you can talk back and forth through.
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2-3 protesters have already been shot. I believe one cop has also been. No fatalities so far, past the original one.
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They do use them for point to point terrestrial communications. Look at a cell tower sometime.
concentrating the sonic energy isn't desirable. At riot levels, these can make people physically ill. At higher levels they can rupture organs and stuff like that.
What do you think would work better.
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That's what government expects from the people, why should the people expect anything different from the government?
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Interesting... the cops are pouring Maalox in protesters eyes to counteract the effects of tear gas. That's a new one for me. Usually it's wash with copious amounts of water or NS (Normal Saline - it's a IV solution).
yeppers:
‘Maalox’-and-water solution used as anti-tear gas remedy by protesters
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/...n-used-as-anti-tear-gas-remedy-by-protesters/
A flier and web-page making its way around Facebook and other social media recommends a solution of Maalox or other liquid antacids as an antidote to the eye pain, blindness, and respiratory distress related to tear gas attacks. The flier, which we found via “OccupyMARINES” states that it is distributed by “United We Rise”, an organization that supports, but is not directly affiliated with “Occupy Wall Street”.
Tear gas is not actually a gas, but a rapidly dispersing chemical agent called capsaicin that produces intense irritation in mucus membranes in the eyes, nose, mouth, throat, and lungs. Protesters in Greece found that mixing a 50 percent solution of liquid antacid and water in spray bottles produces a soothing mist that cools the burning associated with tear gas and pepper spray.
Protesters are instructed by the flier, “When exposed spray your eyes and mouth, then swallow.” The document cites AFP journalists, a study by the University of California at San Francisco, and Wikipedia as sources for information on antacids and tear gas relief.
The flier recommends particle filters and dust masks for keeping tear gas out of the nose and mouth and safety goggles to protect the eyes. It also urges nonviolent protest, saying, “Peaceful protest is the only way to be taken seriously and to be truly heard.”
Why tear gas is so painful — and why exposure is so hard to treat
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/18/6030413/tear-gas-treatment-pain-symptoms
Police have made heavy use of tear gas to break up the ongoing protests in Ferguson, Missouri.
Tear gas is effective at dispersing crowds because its key ingredient — called 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile — triggers the activation of huge numbers of pain receptors in the eyes, as well as irritation in the throat and difficulty breathing. This causes a person's eyes to start tearing and closing involuntarily, effectively incapacitating that person within seconds.
A large number of people in Ferguson — including an eight year-old boy and a group of journalists — have suffered from these symptoms, and there are various photos showing them using a number of different remedies (such as milk and water) to treat tear-gas exposure.
But the unfortunate truth is that effectively treating exposure to tear gas is very difficult, and the best protections and remedies are solely in the hands of medical professionals. Even worse, we still know virtually nothing about the gas' long-term effects. Here's a rundown of what researchers have discovered about dealing with the effects of tear gas:
1) Most makeshift masks don't work perfectly
The most effective defense against tear gas is a gas mask. But gas masks and filters aren't easily available to civilians.
Some protestors have often used a pair of goggles and a wet bandana worn over the mouth to minimize the tear gas' effects on the respiratory system (historically, protesters have used bandanas soaked in lemon juice, cider vinegar, Coca-Cola, or other acidic solutions, though it's not proven that this is more effective). These measures won't fully protect someone by any means, but they can temporarily reduce the amount of tear gas entering the body, giving a person a few extra moments to escape.
2) The best step is usually to leave the area
Once someone has been exposed to tear gas — whether wearing protection or not — the best thing to do is to get out of the gas-filled area as soon as possible. Simultaneously, experts recommend that victims cough, spit, and blow their noses in an attempt to get as much of the chemical out of their bodies as soon as possible.
People with conditions that make them especially vulnerable to tear gas — such as asthma, other respiratory diseases, or immune system disorders — as well as infants and the elderly should seek professional medical help immediately.
3) Victims' eyes need to be washed out thoroughly
Once in a secure location, it's crucial for anyone exposed to tear gas to wash out their eyes thoroughly until the symptoms begin to subside. If the person is wearing contacts, they need to be removed and thrown away.
Protestors in Ferguson have sometimes been using milk as a rinse — and victims of tear gas in other protests around the world have used a variety of remedies, such as lemon juice or a mix of Maalox (or other antacid) and water. But these treatments haven't been clinically tested, so it's hard to say if they're better than water, which is still the rinse proven most effective in clinical trials.
(There is also a chemical called diphoterine that has been shown to be a more effective rinse and is sometimes used in emergency rooms, but it's not widely available apart from medical supply companies.)
4) Longer-term care is often necessary
Apart from tearing and involuntarily blinking, tear gas also causes a longer-term inflammatory response in a person's eyes and skin — and this can take a few days to subside. Initially, it's recommended that victims take cold showers, because warm water can open up a person's pores, allowing further tear gas particles to enter.
Afterward, any piece of clothing or object that was exposed to the tear gas needs to be thoroughly washed or thrown away. Structures hit by tear gas need to be similarly decontaminated of residue, a process that's especially difficult if tear gas has been deployed indoors.
The long-term effects of tear gas on people have barely been studied and are essentially unknown.
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yeppers:
‘Maalox’-and-water solution used as anti-tear gas remedy by protesters
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/...n-used-as-anti-tear-gas-remedy-by-protesters/
A flier and web-page making its way around Facebook and other social media recommends a solution of Maalox or other liquid antacids as an antidote to the eye pain, blindness, and respiratory distress related to tear gas attacks. The flier, which we found via “OccupyMARINES” states that it is distributed by “United We Rise”, an organization that supports, but is not directly affiliated with “Occupy Wall Street”.
Tear gas is not actually a gas, but a rapidly dispersing chemical agent called capsaicin that produces intense irritation in mucus membranes in the eyes, nose, mouth, throat, and lungs. Protesters in Greece found that mixing a 50 percent solution of liquid antacid and water in spray bottles produces a soothing mist that cools the burning associated with tear gas and pepper spray.
Protesters are instructed by the flier, “When exposed spray your eyes and mouth, then swallow.” The document cites AFP journalists, a study by the University of California at San Francisco, and Wikipedia as sources for information on antacids and tear gas relief.
The flier recommends particle filters and dust masks for keeping tear gas out of the nose and mouth and safety goggles to protect the eyes. It also urges nonviolent protest, saying, “Peaceful protest is the only way to be taken seriously and to be truly heard.”
Why tear gas is so painful — and why exposure is so hard to treat
http://www.vox.com/2014/8/18/6030413/tear-gas-treatment-pain-symptoms
Police have made heavy use of tear gas to break up the ongoing protests in Ferguson, Missouri.
Tear gas is effective at dispersing crowds because its key ingredient — called 2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile — triggers the activation of huge numbers of pain receptors in the eyes, as well as irritation in the throat and difficulty breathing. This causes a person's eyes to start tearing and closing involuntarily, effectively incapacitating that person within seconds.
A large number of people in Ferguson — including an eight year-old boy and a group of journalists — have suffered from these symptoms, and there are various photos showing them using a number of different remedies (such as milk and water) to treat tear-gas exposure.
But the unfortunate truth is that effectively treating exposure to tear gas is very difficult, and the best protections and remedies are solely in the hands of medical professionals. Even worse, we still know virtually nothing about the gas' long-term effects. Here's a rundown of what researchers have discovered about dealing with the effects of tear gas:
1) Most makeshift masks don't work perfectly
The most effective defense against tear gas is a gas mask. But gas masks and filters aren't easily available to civilians.
Some protestors have often used a pair of goggles and a wet bandana worn over the mouth to minimize the tear gas' effects on the respiratory system (historically, protesters have used bandanas soaked in lemon juice, cider vinegar, Coca-Cola, or other acidic solutions, though it's not proven that this is more effective). These measures won't fully protect someone by any means, but they can temporarily reduce the amount of tear gas entering the body, giving a person a few extra moments to escape.
2) The best step is usually to leave the area
Once someone has been exposed to tear gas — whether wearing protection or not — the best thing to do is to get out of the gas-filled area as soon as possible. Simultaneously, experts recommend that victims cough, spit, and blow their noses in an attempt to get as much of the chemical out of their bodies as soon as possible.
People with conditions that make them especially vulnerable to tear gas — such as asthma, other respiratory diseases, or immune system disorders — as well as infants and the elderly should seek professional medical help immediately.
3) Victims' eyes need to be washed out thoroughly
Once in a secure location, it's crucial for anyone exposed to tear gas to wash out their eyes thoroughly until the symptoms begin to subside. If the person is wearing contacts, they need to be removed and thrown away.
Protestors in Ferguson have sometimes been using milk as a rinse — and victims of tear gas in other protests around the world have used a variety of remedies, such as lemon juice or a mix of Maalox (or other antacid) and water. But these treatments haven't been clinically tested, so it's hard to say if they're better than water, which is still the rinse proven most effective in clinical trials.
(There is also a chemical called diphoterine that has been shown to be a more effective rinse and is sometimes used in emergency rooms, but it's not widely available apart from medical supply companies.)
4) Longer-term care is often necessary
Apart from tearing and involuntarily blinking, tear gas also causes a longer-term inflammatory response in a person's eyes and skin — and this can take a few days to subside. Initially, it's recommended that victims take cold showers, because warm water can open up a person's pores, allowing further tear gas particles to enter.
Afterward, any piece of clothing or object that was exposed to the tear gas needs to be thoroughly washed or thrown away. Structures hit by tear gas need to be similarly decontaminated of residue, a process that's especially difficult if tear gas has been deployed indoors.
The long-term effects of tear gas on people have barely been studied and are essentially unknown.
-t
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Only two shooting victims last night, no police were shot. Interesting that news reports talk about "bottles being thrown" when the live stream I was watching stated (small plastic) water bottles, (and I witnessed one of those myself)...
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I'll bet a microwave gun could shut one down..or make the operator real uncomfortable.
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You can build up resistance to it. (that is painful though)
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Baking soda and water works just as well and a $1 boxof soda would probably mix up 4 or 5 gallons of solution, and it is not sticky and probably not near as messy. In fact it could be carried in a water bottle and poured on the face immediately stopping much of the effect. Might try it in a nose spray bottle too. My experiance is with bear spray in Alaska. Same thing, bear spray may be a little stronger.
the cop reaches around to squirt me square in the eyes with mace.
I'm stumbling around near blind in a dry dusty baseball field with no water anywhere....suddenly someone is trying to stuff a burning or smoldering newspaper in my face.
I kept trying to pull away...like 'are you crazy?' but they kept this smoke in my face until my eyes watered up and then i could suddenly see again.
The guy with the newspaper was a student from Chile. He was there when they finally brought down Gen. Pinochet... he explained that was what they did when they had no other means of cleaning your eyes when the police are using CS gas.
Simple idea when you have to use what you can.
use barrier creme to keep tear gas and pepper spray off skin rub into scalp face and hands let dry effective against serious hair dye should do the trick here too cant hurt is cheap and mechanics use similar to keep grease out of pores of hands etc it is one mroe layer between you and the spray. If you wear contacts do not wear the wear glasses instead or eye protection spray in eyes with contacts = much more pain & damage. Common error. And remember that cotton clothing will absorb the spray and hold it against the skin try to wear clothes that will not act as sponge for the spray but man made weatherproof fibbers. Also secure doors of car if parked anywhere near cops use pepper spray on car seats and it really really hurts let me tell you .. I know.
Another form of defense is to not only wear goggles but apply vaseline to your face and exposed skin.
IMO something to stop Taser use or effectiveness may be needed...ground wires?
I've looked into this: There are mesh t-shirts that will defeat this but it's actually as simple as aluminum foil and possibly mylar taped into clothing. Honestly, I'd go with aluminum foil because it's a much better conductor. Tape it into clothing everywhere (which doubles as a good warmth insulator) and you'll have a shield that will short out the leads before they ever get to the skin and can actually destroy the taser's electronics. Duct tape + aluminum foil = $1000 of police unhappiness. I assume when their tasers start self destructing they'll stop using them. Pass it along.
you can get metal-backed tape at any hardware store - used for metal ductwork.
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the cop reaches around to squirt me square in the eyes with mace.
I'm stumbling around near blind in a dry dusty baseball field with no water anywhere....suddenly someone is trying to stuff a burning or smoldering newspaper in my face.
I kept trying to pull away...like 'are you crazy?' but they kept this smoke in my face until my eyes watered up and then i could suddenly see again.
The guy with the newspaper was a student from Chile. He was there when they finally brought down Gen. Pinochet... he explained that was what they did when they had no other means of cleaning your eyes when the police are using CS gas.
Simple idea when you have to use what you can.
use barrier creme to keep tear gas and pepper spray off skin rub into scalp face and hands let dry effective against serious hair dye should do the trick here too cant hurt is cheap and mechanics use similar to keep grease out of pores of hands etc it is one mroe layer between you and the spray. If you wear contacts do not wear the wear glasses instead or eye protection spray in eyes with contacts = much more pain & damage. Common error. And remember that cotton clothing will absorb the spray and hold it against the skin try to wear clothes that will not act as sponge for the spray but man made weatherproof fibbers. Also secure doors of car if parked anywhere near cops use pepper spray on car seats and it really really hurts let me tell you .. I know.
Another form of defense is to not only wear goggles but apply vaseline to your face and exposed skin.
IMO something to stop Taser use or effectiveness may be needed...ground wires?
I've looked into this: There are mesh t-shirts that will defeat this but it's actually as simple as aluminum foil and possibly mylar taped into clothing. Honestly, I'd go with aluminum foil because it's a much better conductor. Tape it into clothing everywhere (which doubles as a good warmth insulator) and you'll have a shield that will short out the leads before they ever get to the skin and can actually destroy the taser's electronics. Duct tape + aluminum foil = $1000 of police unhappiness. I assume when their tasers start self destructing they'll stop using them. Pass it along.
you can get metal-backed tape at any hardware store - used for metal ductwork.
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In USMC Basic Training they have to go into the gas chamber and take off their masks.
A friend of mine who did it said he thought he was going to die. You can get the video of yourself when you graduate, too.
The video above doesn't show it, but afterwards, they go outside and walk in a circle with their arms out for a while. That is when they are all blowing snot.
A friend of mine who did it said he thought he was going to die. You can get the video of yourself when you graduate, too.
The video above doesn't show it, but afterwards, they go outside and walk in a circle with their arms out for a while. That is when they are all blowing snot.
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Army does too,, as well as some live surprise attacks. It was often used in various training scenarios back in the early 70s.
I have been dosed fairly heavily in that. (had a Sgt rip my mask off in a cloud) I got a bit of resistance.. I could smell faint trace in the air before anyone else (and give warning) and it had a lessor effect on me.
The gas chamber is many folks first experience. You can feel it burning your skin before the mask comes off.
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