New Super PAC launched "Rand PAC 2016"

[Warlord]

The only effective Super PAC I've seen so far is John Ramsey's PAC, but like I mentioned above, he plunked down enormous personal wealth to do it. He didn't start at zero and start some massive grassroots snowball that grows into piles of cash. It doesn't work that way.

Yes, Ramsey's PAC is legitimate and has a track record. He's traveling round the US trying to raise money for it to support the candidates they like. That's worthy of support if you've got the kind of dough and want to donate tens of thousands to the cause.

WHat did you make of Revolution PAC was it called that paid themselves over a million to its offices or to direct mailing companies affilated with those running it? I can't remember as I wasn't paying much attention but these assholes will be doing the same thing with Rand. Far too tempting as they could haul in more than they could using Ron's good name. All those new sources of conservatives that Rand appeals to. He needs to tightly control his name and image.

 

[angelatc]

Yes, Ramsey's PAC is legitimate and has a track record. He's traveling round the US trying to raise money for it to support the candidates they like. That's worthy of support if you've got the kind of dough and want to donate tens of thousands to the cause.

WHat did you make of Revolution PAC was it called that paid themselves over a million to its offices or to direct mailing companies affilated with those running it? I can't remember as I wasn't paying much attention but these assholes will be doing the same thing with Rand. Far too tempting as they could haul in more than they could using Ron's good name. All those new sources of conservatives that Rand appeals to. He needs to tightly control his name and image.

The people at Revolution PAC did not pay themselves over a million dollars to its "officers," and the direct mailing company that was used had absolutely no affiliation to those running it. The big solicitations, limited to 100 or so top donors, were packed and mailed entirely by volunteers - my two kids.

The big numbers you're citing were in-kind donations - people assigning a value to the time they donated to produce content. We didn't raise anywhere near a million dollars.

I agree that multiple PACs split the money, but like it or not Ron Paul's 2007 track record left a lot of people reluctant to donate to his official campaign. Revolution PAC gave those people the chance to fund grassoots projects without having to contribute to the salaries of people like Matt Collins, Jesse Benton and John Tate.

WIth Matt being allowed to troll these forums to intentionally disrupt the creative processes and steal the ideas that developed in spite of his best efforts, it was pretty easy for people to be attracted to a grassroots alternative.

If you have any questions please feel free to DM me.

 

[Cowlesy]

Yes, Ramsey's PAC is legitimate and has a track record. He's traveling round the US trying to raise money for it to support the candidates they like. That's worthy of support if you've got the kind of dough and want to donate tens of thousands to the cause.

WHat did you make of Revolution PAC was it called that paid themselves over a million to its offices or to direct mailing companies affilated with those running it? I can't remember as I wasn't paying much attention but these assholes will be doing the same thing with Rand. Far too tempting as they could haul in more than they could using Ron's good name. All those new sources of conservatives that Rand appeals to. He needs to tightly control his name and image.

Revolution PAC had some cool events, but it as more of a way (in my opinion) for the disgruntled-with-the-campaign people to pool their resources to do their own thing. I went to an event they had and they did a very nice job with quality speakers. As you'd expect, allegations (unfounded or founded, who knows) flew left and right about misappropriation of funds, which, you kind of need to expect with internet-based ops. Personally I think the allegations were unfair. Most people don't understand how accounting works.

Ron's campaign is a bit different though from Rand's, as Ron's was about teaching, Rand's is about winning. Ron's libertarian internet army will probably spend more time trying to thwart Rand, than help him. Rand is appealing to more mainstream conservatives/republicans who will not want anything to do with this forum given how nasty some posters can be toward non-libertarians.

I think we've all made it pretty clear this PAC is not a good vehicle through which the internet warriors should donate money. If you want your dollars to go toward helping re-elect Rand Paul, you may as well just throw them in your memorial day BBQ grill coals if you think this PAC is the way to go.

 

[Warlord]

The people at Revolution PAC did not pay themselves over a million dollars to its "officers," and the direct mailing company that was used had absolutely no affiliation to those running it. The big solicitations, limited to 100 or so top donors, were packed and mailed entirely by volunteers - my two kids.

The big numbers you're citing were in-kind donations - people assigning a value to the time they donated to produce content. We didn't raise anywhere near a million dollars.

I agree that multiple PACs split the money, but like it or not Ron Paul's 2007 track record left a lot of people reluctant to donate to his official campaign. Revolution PAC gave those people the chance to fund grassoots projects without having to contribute to the salaries of people like Matt Collins, Jesse Benton and John Tate.

WIth Matt being allowed to troll these forums to intentionally disrupt the creative processes and steal the ideas that developed in spite of his best efforts, it was pretty easy for people to be attracted to a grassroots alternative.

If you have any questions please feel free to DM me.

I didn't pay much attention to the 'non-troversy' but accept your point about supporters being distrustful of a Benton run campaign.

I think if you want to support PACs we should do it through established ones like Human Action and Ramsey's. I think the new ones that pop up like this and I suspect there will be many more are just going to try and capitalize off Rand's name and profile. I hope he will do what he can to protect his name/image.

 

[Cowlesy]

I didn't pay much attention to the 'non-troversy' but accept your point about supporters being distrustful of a Benton run campaign.

I think if you want to support PACs we should do it through established ones like Human Action and Ramsey's. I think the new ones that pop up like this and I suspect there will be many more are just going to try and capitalize off Rand's name and profile. I hope he will do what he can to protect his name/image.

If people want to support Rand Paul, they should only donate through www.randpac.com or www.randpaul2016.com . If they want to support candidacies that John Ramsey is working on, then support his Liberty for All PAC.

I have no idea who the angel investor in Human Action PAC is nor what their mission is, and since I don't have resources beyond the 5-figure sum I need to put toward helping Rand, I have to decline for them.

 

[angelatc]

I agree. I think Ramsey's PAC is what I had hoped Rev PAC would be.

 

[Aratus]

one of these PACs is more official than the other?
if one of 'em is more neocon + Karl Rove, lets be
careful about who we donate to. we want RAND to
run without strings attached and stipulations thusly.

 

[nnuckelt]

Our PAC is more of a grassroots effort. It started off with just me and a fellow coworker and we decided instead of just watching on the sidelines we are going to do what we can to get Rand Paul elected president. I work long hours but I have dedicated my off time and my own money to spread the word, so far we have people volunteering from all across the country. We need as many people as we can get in the primary states. I plan on using my vacation time to go door to door in Iowa, I have 5000 pamphelts that should be arriving soon and we even have a basic video add that we made on our shoe string budget. I have to get back to work, but feel free to message me if you can volunteer .
Nick Nuckelt

 

[TaftFan]

Please change the name ASAP so it shows you are in good faith. I do not trust anybody to run ads that says "paid for by Rand Paul 2016".

I also expect you may receive a lawsuit soon or a revocation from the FEC.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2011-title11-vol1/xml/CFR-2011-title11-vol1-sec102-14.xml

 

[LibertyEagle]

Our PAC is more of a grassroots effort. It started off with just me and a fellow coworker and we decided instead of just watching on the sidelines we are going to do what we can to get Rand Paul elected president. I work long hours but I have dedicated my off time and my own money to spread the word, so far we have people volunteering from all across the country. We need as many people as we can get in the primary states. I plan on using my vacation time to go door to door in Iowa, I have 5000 pamphelts that should be arriving soon and we even have a basic video add that we made on our shoe string budget. I have to get back to work, but feel free to message me if you can volunteer .
Nick Nuckelt

Change the name. Otherwise it just looks like you are trying to scam people to donate to you, when they are intending to donate to Rand or his PAC.

You know damn well what you are doing and if you don't change your PAC's name, I for one will consider you an enemy.

 

[Aratus]

the FEDs are looking for an excuse to inflict the FCC on you guys so fast it isn't funny.

L.E is trying to make a very dry and erudite legal point, in light of what just went down

with the IRS + BHO. liking RAND is one thing, being part of his team is another thing.

Try to do emailings in a more broad and loose manner. Admin here knows the fine line.

 

[Aratus]

Rand Paul has very good odds of being the GOP nominee before he turns 75!
Please don't ruin it for him by being somewhat egotistical and a tad dishonest!
tHE ALPHABET SOUP OF THE fcc + fec + ftc COULD SLAM INTO YOU WORSE
THAN THE PARK SERVICE HAS POOR ADAM KOKESH UP IN PHILADELPHIA!!!

 

[compromise]

Our PAC is more of a grassroots effort. It started off with just me and a fellow coworker and we decided instead of just watching on the sidelines we are going to do what we can to get Rand Paul elected president. I work long hours but I have dedicated my off time and my own money to spread the word, so far we have people volunteering from all across the country. We need as many people as we can get in the primary states. I plan on using my vacation time to go door to door in Iowa, I have 5000 pamphelts that should be arriving soon and we even have a basic video add that we made on our shoe string budget. I have to get back to work, but feel free to message me if you can volunteer .
Nick Nuckelt

Good luck with your PAC. Sounds great if what you're saying is true.

Changing the name would definitely be a good idea. I don't feel as strongly about it as other people on here, but I understand other people are scared something like the NHLiberty4Paul thing (when the Huntsman daughters made a racist Ron Paul ad and the RP2012 campaign got the blame) could happen again if we're not careful.

 

[Brado]

Good luck with your PAC. Sounds great if what you're saying is true.

Changing the name would definitely be a good idea. I don't feel as strongly about it as other people on here, but I understand other people are scared something like the NHLiberty4Paul thing (when the Huntsman daughters made a racist Ron Paul ad and the RP2012 campaign got the blame) could happen again if we're not careful.

That's a legit concern about how independent Super PACs ran by the wrong people, in the wrong manner, can negatively impact a campaign.

People who are freaking out about the name 'Rand PAC 2016' should get a grip. I don't see readyforhillary.com getting sued, who have approximately 50x their following right now and more clearly use a candidates name.

I say good luck to Rand PAC 2016--They have as much a right to exist as people have the right not to donate if they don't want to. Until they do something crazy, I say viva Rand and please get some people organized to make a difference.

 

[jct74]

Pro-Rand Paul super PAC's name may violate law
Hillary-aligned groups may also face name changes

By Michael Beckelemail
May 22, 2013

Supporters of Republican Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., have launched “Rand PAC 2016.” But because the super PAC uses the potential presidential candidate’s first name, this action may violate federal law.

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Federal law, in most cases, only permits political committees authorized by a candidate to use that candidate’s name — which super PACs, by definition, are not.

The regulations, though, are unclear about whether the use of a partial name would trigger a change.

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Brandon Edwards — the 27-year-old, self-described libertarian from California who is the chairman of the newly created Rand PAC 2016 — said that if his group were asked to change its name by the FEC, “that would be no problem.”

Edwards said his group does not want to be seen as “leaching off" Paul's name.

“That’s definitely not the goal of this,” he added. “The goal is to become active with the community, find other like-minded people and help spread the message of liberty.”

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read more:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/05/22/12706/pro-rand-paul-super-pacs-name-may-violate-law