New study claims Dr. Seuss and his books are racist

[Aratus]

GOP + Isolationist "Ostrich" = today's GOP*strich??? ....yep.
When he had to choose between FDR + WENDELL WILLKIE
he maybe might have been somewhat sore torn but he clearly
and clearly was totally 100% for ole FDR in '32, '36 + '44!

 

[Aratus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw039kiuYO8

 

[Anti Federalist]

This. 100%. Right is wrong, wrong is right. Up is down and down is up. To the point that you loathe to speak your thoughts, express you opinions, without being excoriated and singled out for shaming.

Exactly right, because from day to day, minute to minute, you have no idea what is "acceptable" or what will become "unacceptable", thus risking your job, business, possibly freedom.

The only course of action is to reject the shaming of any of it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Think about how irrational that is.

It's not irrational at all, when you consider the goal.

Then it becomes brilliant psych warfare strategy.

 

[Anti Federalist]

These images are from the books being "cancelled." Not as hateful as the "Flit" ads. I honestly don't recall reading those particular books, but I saw images like that in children's cartoons whether it was Popeye fighting the buck tooth, Coke bottle glasses World War II Japanese pilot

I'm a sailor.

I find E.C Segar's hateful, stereotypical caricature of sailors and our physical disabilities just as distasteful.

To discuss Dr. Seuss and racism without talking about "The Sneeds" is disingenuous at best.

Sneetches, not Sneeds.

I think you're thinking of what the trees in the The Lorax needed to be chopped down to make - "Thneeds".

 

[phill4paul]

Exactly right, because from day to day, minute to minute, you have no idea what is "acceptable" or what will become "unacceptable", thus risking your job, business, possibly freedom.

The only course of action is to reject the shaming of any of it.

No shame here. What I've got I've worked for. Never handed anything. Any debt I went into I payed off. Never took food stamps or section 8 housing, even though there were times in my life when I probably could have qualified. I was born white and a male. Never in any instant has either of these given me a definite advantage. In fact I can cite times when my 'race' was held against me for advancement.
Fuck 'em. Done with it. All those that once might have needed my help are long grown and on their own or passed away.
Don't push me. I'm done with it. Tired of it. And on the verge of pushing back.

 

[Anti Federalist]

No shame here. What I've got I've worked for. Never handed anything. Any debt I went into I payed off. Never took food stamps or section 8 housing, even though there were times in my life when I probably could have qualified. I was born white and a male. Never in any instant has either of these given me a definite advantage. In fact I can cite times when my 'race' was held against me for advancement.
Fuck 'em. Done with it. All those that once might have needed my help are long grown and on their own or passed away.
Don't push me. I'm done with it. Tired of it. And on the verge of pushing back.

You and me both...you and me both.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm a sailor.

I find E.C Segar's hateful, stereotypical caricature of sailors and our physical disabilities just as distasteful.

You're saying you don't have skinny biceps, oversized forearms, smoke a pipe, get high of spinach, and go gaga over a woman that looks like a broomstick with legs? Go figure!

Sneetches, not Sneeds.

I think you're thinking of what the trees in the The Lorax needed to be chopped down to make - "Thneeds".

Egads! You're correct again! Anyhow sneetches get steeches.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Aufheben der Dr. Seuss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPYieRhLATw


The New Discourses Podcast with James Lindsay, Episode 23

Aufheben is a German word that, in Critical Theory, means to "abolish" or to "negate" in the way that Critical Theorists do. It's a somewhat complicated term in that it means both to abolish and to keep or to keep safe, and the [way that] Critical Theory [uses it] taps into the so-called dialectical process to attempt to use aufheben to tear apart and, as the Marxists translated it, "sublate" whatever cultural artifact they are targeting onto a "higher" level of understanding, namely the one that empowers Critical Theorists and induces misery in everyone else. This process was widely pushed by the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School under a doctrine of Aufheben der Kultur ("abolishment of culture"), and it continues in the Woke movement today.

One of the latest big targets of Aufheben der Kultur is Dr. Seuss and his wide body of popular children's literature. Why? Because of its success. Seuss becomes a cultural anchor point for hundreds of millions of children and adults, and by tainting Seuss, his legacy, and your own memories of him with accusations of racism and "harm," they can abolish that shared cultural anchor and make more room to advance their own agenda, in which every text is "decolonized" and geared to indoctrinate you and your children into Critical Theory, especially Critical Race Theory. Join James Lindsay in this episode of the New Discourses Podcast to dig into the Critical Dr Seuss academic literature to see where this Aufheben der Dr Seuss comes from and how it works.

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Incidentally, at the 4:39 mark in the video, Lindsay confirms something I said several days ago in another thread:

Dr. Seuss did produce some pretty cringe stuff ...

[snipped image]

I don't recall any of that crap making it into any of his books, though (at least, not the ones I ever read).

[...]

 

[Anti Federalist]

Aufheben is a German word that, in Critical Theory, means to "abolish" or to "negate" in the way that Critical Theorists do. It's a somewhat complicated term in that it means both to abolish and to keep or to keep safe, and the [way that] Critical Theory [uses it] taps into the so-called dialectical process to attempt to use aufheben to tear apart and, as the Marxists translated it, "sublate" whatever cultural artifact they are targeting onto a "higher" level of understanding, namely the one that empowers Critical Theorists and induces misery in everyone else. This process was widely pushed by the Critical Theorists of the Frankfurt School under a doctrine of Aufheben der Kultur[/IPre] ("abolishment of culture"), and it continues in the Woke movement today.

Precisely.

The only comment I'd offer is to make clear that the "Woke Movement" is not the core and goal, it is merely a front, another wrecking ball, in the much larger battle being waged: that of complete Marxist revolution

 

[Anti Federalist]

You're saying you don't have skinny biceps, oversized forearms, smoke a pipe, get high of spinach, and go gaga over a woman that looks like a broomstick with legs? Go figure!

LOL - No of course not, it's a caricature.

I'm no more offended by it than you should be offended by Seuss' caricature of jungle bushmen in the Flit ad.

 

[jmdrake]

LOL - No of course not, it's a caricature.

I'm no more offended by it than you should be offended by Seuss' caricature of jungle bushmen in the Flit ad.

There is no history of lynchings associated with the Popeye, and Popeye isn't the caricature of all sailors[1], so I'll be offended at whatever I want to be offended at thank you very much. I remember back in HS in the 1980s when I went to an overwhelmingly white, southern private high school. I purposefully turned a blind eye to all of the racism I saw out of self preservation. One day I saw a fellow student drawing a swaztika on the computer. I was like "Why the hell are you doing that?" He was like "I'm German. This is part of my German heritage." I started to say something....then I realized he used the same argument many of my fellow students used about the confederate flag. (And yes I know not all confederate flag waivers are racists. But the kids that had the KKK cartoon on their dorm wall? Yeah...that was racist.) Anyway...Hitler never did anything to me. He didn't make a habit of mass murdering black people either. But you don't see Jews giving Nazi era cartoons of Jews a pass because of what they are associated with. I don't give the Flit ads a pass. That doesn't mean I've cancelled Dr. Seuss. But just like I can't tell you what you can and can't read, you can't tell me how to feel about what I read or chose not to read.

[1] For a reference, Bluto didn't have skinny biceps or oversized forearms, smoke a pipe or get high of spinach. All they had in common was a fetish for skinny women.

 

[Anti Federalist]

There is no history of lynchings associated with the Popeye, and Popeye isn't the caricature of all sailors[1], so I'll be offended at whatever I want to be offended at thank you very much.

Please note, I said "should not" instead "can not". You can be offended by whatever you feel like, I'd just put it to you that, with Marxist mobs on the march, keen to genocide both of us, that maybe your efforts at indignation would be better spent at them, rather than the cartoon ad copy of a Jewish liberal from 80 years ago.

I remember back in HS in the 1980s when I went to an overwhelmingly white, southern private high school. I purposefully turned a blind eye to all of the racism I saw out of self preservation. One day I saw a fellow student drawing a swaztika on the computer. I was like "Why the hell are you doing that?" He was like "I'm German. This is part of my German heritage." I started to say something....then I realized he used the same argument many of my fellow students used about the confederate flag. (And yes I know not all confederate flag waivers are racists. But the kids that had the KKK cartoon on their dorm wall? Yeah...that was racist.)

I wish my high school experience was as benign as that.

See, I've never run across much of that "white privilege" that supposedly is just lying around to be picked up like Mario coins by white folks only.

I grew up poor in a small town in NJ, in a winterized 900 square foot summer cottage, so I didn't get a private school choice.

The town sent it's HS students to two schools that they had "sharing" agreements with for funding, the one to the south was an OK, mostly white suburban school. The one to the north was a failed ghetto school, almost universally black, and by the late 70s when I was shipped there as part of racially motivated "blending scheme" dictated by government, it had devolved into another "Eastside High".

Until I could, basically, "run away" at 16 during the summer after finishing my sophomore year, I had to endure racism heaped on me that makes drawing unsettling pictures a welcome respite.

I was beaten, punched, mugged, had knives and guns drawn on me, multiple times, simply for being the "white boy".

I still recall to this day, approaching a dude who was a Nation of Islam follower and great espounder of the edicts of Malcolm X.

While this dude, I can't recall his name, he had taken a Muslim name of some sort, but had started in the system at the same time as me with a "given" name of James Wright, was certainly not "friendly" toward me, he had not taken part in the general badgering of the handful of whiteys and gave off the air of an "intellectual", so I figured if anybody might give an honest answer to my question, it would be him.

What was my question? Simple: why do you hate me so much?

Well, I got the answer you might expect, a half hour harangue on the evils of the white race, and a prognostication that ultimately people like him will be in power, and when they are, they will use that power to exterminate me once and for all.

His words: "exterminate once and for all".

Not much to say past that point and I haven't told anybody the details of that encounter in over thirty years now....

I became the "Boy Named Sue" after that.

I grew up fast and I grew up mean and got the fuck out of there as soon as I could.

I don't give the Flit ads a pass. That doesn't mean I've cancelled Dr. Seuss. But just like I can't tell you what you can and can't read, you can't tell me how to feel about what I read or chose not to read.

Well, good, and I'm not even a huge fan, Giesel was an unabashed lefty, no doubt, so I don't have a dog in the hunt.

Life is full of slights and "disrespects"...too much power given to those minor affronts leads to hatreds much worse.

 

[jmdrake]

Please note, I said "should not" instead "can not". You can be offended by whatever you feel like, I'd just put it to you that, with Marxist mobs on the march, keen to genocide both of us, that maybe your efforts at indignation would be better spent at them, rather than the cartoon ad copy of a Jewish liberal from 80 years ago.

Why is everything so black and white with you? I can say "You shouldn't be so worried about a couple of tramps making a video about W.A.P." In the grand scheme of things that's just as irrelevant. Oh...you only care about recent stuff? Okay. Then if your child's school takes the kiddies to an exhibit of the ancient erotic art of Pompey which shows the demi-god Pan screwing a goat you shouldn't be the least bit offended because it's ancient history. Sorry, but there is no difference between "can not" and "should not" in this instance. Or let me put it another way. If I'm not trying to burn your collection of racist Dr. Seuss cartoons you should not be concerned about what I think of them. I think cancel culture is retarded. I am glad that in the good old U.S. of A. I can download a copy of Castle Wolfenstein 3D where the Germans I'm killing still have swastikas on their uniforms. For some odd reason in Germany such games cannot be sold (or downloaded as I only do demos). In Germany they have this crazy idea that being able to shoot Nazis in a video game somehow promotes Nazism. (I could see it if you were allowed to play the Nazi). I'm glad that if I want I can order a copy of Mein Kampf or Das Capital or Phillip Dru The Administrator or Soul On Ice or whatever else I want. And someone else has a right to be offended by me wearing an Adolf Hitler was right or Che Guevera is a hero t-shirt. As long as they don't interfere with what I do then fine.

You know what? Just the other day I saw the Dr. Suess exhibit at the local Walmart. I didn't see any of the offending "pulled" books. I suspect this might have all been a publicity stunt to pump of the value of the rest of his collection. Today's kids know far more about Harry Potter anyway and they want to cancel J.K. Rowling thanks to what they learned on TikTok and J.K. Rowling is so worried about being "woke" after the cancel mob came after her for her (not really) transphobic book that she cancelled Johnny Depp because his abusive wife lied and said he was abusing her. Disney cancelled Depp and then "uncancelled" him after a massive fan outcry even though IMO "Pirates Of The Carribian" is played out. It's all a damn circus. Change my mind!

 

[pcosmar]

You know what? Just the other day I saw the Dr. Suess exhibit at the local Walmart.

Son in Law works night shift at a local Walmart.. Told me he shoveled stacks into the dumpster.

in retrospect,, he should have salvaged a few to sell on E-bay.

 

[phill4paul]

P.S.A. Being white is raciss.

 

[phill4paul]

Please note, I said "should not" instead "can not". You can be offended by whatever you feel like, I'd just put it to you that, with Marxist mobs on the march, keen to genocide both of us, that maybe your efforts at indignation would be better spent at them, rather than the cartoon ad copy of a Jewish liberal from 80 years ago.



I wish my high school experience was as benign as that.

See, I've never run across much of that "white privilege" that supposedly is just lying around to be picked up like Mario coins by white folks only.

I grew up poor in a small town in NJ, in a winterized 900 square foot summer cottage, so I didn't get a private school choice.

The town sent it's HS students to two schools that they had "sharing" agreements with for funding, the one to the south was an OK, mostly white suburban school. The one to the north was a failed ghetto school, almost universally black, and by the late 70s when I was shipped there as part of racially motivated "blending scheme" dictated by government, it had devolved into another "Eastside High".

Until I could, basically, "run away" at 16 during the summer after finishing my sophomore year, I had to endure racism heaped on me that makes drawing unsettling pictures a welcome respite.

I was beaten, punched, mugged, had knives and guns drawn on me, multiple times, simply for being the "white boy".

I still recall to this day, approaching a dude who was a Nation of Islam follower and great espounder of the edicts of Malcolm X.

While this dude, I can't recall his name, he had taken a Muslim name of some sort, but had started in the system at the same time as me with a "given" name of James Wright, was certainly not "friendly" toward me, he had not taken part in the general badgering of the handful of whiteys and gave off the air of an "intellectual", so I figured if anybody might give an honest answer to my question, it would be him.

What was my question? Simple: why do you hate me so much?

Well, I got the answer you might expect, a half hour harangue on the evils of the white race, and a prognostication that ultimately people like him will be in power, and when they are, they will use that power to exterminate me once and for all.

His words: "exterminate once and for all".

Not much to say past that point and I haven't told anybody the details of that encounter in over thirty years now....

I became the "Boy Named Sue" after that.

I grew up fast and I grew up mean and got the fuck out of there as soon as I could.



Well, good, and I'm not even a huge fan, Giesel was an unabashed lefty, no doubt, so I don't have a dog in the hunt.

Life is full of slights and "disrespects"...too much power given to those minor affronts leads to hatreds much worse.

YOU are the racist hater. You understand that, don't you? I could add the times that blacks , or Asians, have discriminated against me.
But, that shit doesn't happen.
It's just 'pay back.'

 

[pcosmar]

P.S.A. Being white is raciss.

They were telling me that in 2009..

and I hope the Ghost of Tommy Williams visits every one.

 

[TheTexan]

I'm not a racist. I dislike all non-white races equally.

 

[jmdrake]

P.S.A. Being white is raciss.

Well I just found out yesterday from [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] that Dr. Suess wasn't even "white." He was Jewish. (Yeah I know there are white Jews but bear with me on this). Where did "cancel culture" originate? Post WW II "you dare not deny the holocaust" Germany. If Dr. Seuss had been German and the "Flit" cartoons had been deemed anti-semetic I doubt anyone of any note would have jumped to his defense. My first introduction to cancel culture was in 2004 when I was part of a group looking into a suspicious death at a private prison. At a dinner when we were discussing this, a Jewish couple said "We have to do something about people saying racist things." I was like "But what about the first amendment?" They got quiet. Imagine what Fox News would have said if Gentile Dr. Suess had drawn...

Say what you want to say. Draw what you want to draw. But don't expect the rest of the world to get upset at antisemitism if, as a semite, you caricature other groups.