New sepsis treatment reduces death by 87 percent

[Chester Copperpot]

Even if he understands it, he does not care. That is not why he is here. He is here to act like a scumbag, which is exactly what he's doing.

Well, somebody has to support the federal reserve and IRS on here I suppose.. Though to be honest Im not sure this is the same zippy ive been talking to for the last 10 years... his electronic signature hasnt matched up at times though ive been so inactive on here I may not be remembering him correctly, or he may have forgotten me.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, things do work synergistically. Iron works synergistically with oxygen in our blood to help get it to other cells. Does that make iron part of oxygen? Link showing copper is a part of vitamin C?

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Yes, things do work synergistically. Iron works synergistically with oxygen in our blood to help get it to other cells. Does that make iron part of oxygen? Link showing copper is a part of vitamin C?

Heres a link I just googled:

Vitamins and minerals are not functionally separable. They make each other work. Example: vitamin D is necessary for the body to absorb calcium. Copper is necessary for vitamin C activity.

https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/ENGLISH/resources/articleDetail.php?articles_id=55

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Heres another link about copper as part of vitamin c

 

[Zippyjuan]

Heres a link I just googled:

Vitamins and minerals are not functionally separable. They make each other work. Example: vitamin D is necessary for the body to absorb calcium. Copper is necessary for vitamin C activity.

https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/ENGLISH/resources/articleDetail.php?articles_id=55

"Works with" is not the same as "is part of". See my example of oxygen and iron. They may work together (or separately) but they are not the same. Iron is not part of oxygen and oxygen is not part of iron (iron may bond with oxygen to form iron oxide or rust).

Link is trying to sell their own vitamins. Why don't they add copper to their vitamin C if it is so important and not "real vitamin C" without it? https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/ENGLISH/catalog/Truly-Natural-Vitamin-C-8482-270-g_1103.html

Contents / Ingredients:
Serving size: 2 teaspoon
Approximately 77 servings per container

Acerola Cherry Extract Powder - 420 mg naturally occurring, non-toxic, highly absorbable vitamin C complex (not excreted as expensive, yellow urine) contained in the Acerola Berry that contains an entire complex of naturally occurring co-factors including bioflavonoids, vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients and everything else contained in this whole food - - Wildcrafted, TruGanic

Other ingredients: Tapioca Starch

The cherries have practically no copper. https://behealthy.today/acerola-cherry-content-benefits/

Copper 0.086 mg

Though they do have vitamin C:

Vitamin C 1677.6 mg

(Video says Vitamin C never naturally occurs in more than 100 mg so we know it is wrong).

But he says they are "real vitamin C" so I guess "real vitamin C" does not require copper. Or it was just a sales pitch. Get you to buy some copper to go along with it.

However, Truly Natural Vitamin C™ has all of the naturally occurring elements synergistically present and bonded (including naturally occurring bioflavonoids) because it is 100% food (100% Acerola Cherry Powder).

Only $80 a pound for dried up cherries (plus shipping). These guys will sell you a pound for under $20. https://nuts.com/driedfruit/cherries/cherry-acerola.html

And as was shown earlier, vitamin C can interfere with the body's ability to use copper. More vitamin C means lower copper in the body. That is not a good synergistic relationship.

Loved the comments at the video.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

...vitamin C can interfere with the body's ability to use copper.

No; at least not in the way you are trying to troll here.

It would practically be very difficult to impossible sustaining a "high" vitamin C intake that would affect cooper. High vitamin C intakes turn your stomach upside-down in short order. The gas and bloating are very uncomfortable.

Your experiment was rats given high C doses in 20 days. I would bet those were extraordinary doses. It all matches the model of people who tell you things like not to eat a bunch of carrots because you will overdose on vitamin A. The only problem with these imbecilic suggestions is that no one is eating sackfuls of carrots every day. You quickly tire of such food before it has an adverse effect.

I eat 100% raw and rarely--if ever--overdo it on natural foods. That's very different from from overeating on processed stuff.

 

[donnay]

Here is the study:

Hydrocortisone, Vitamin C, and Thiamine for the Treatment of Severe Sepsis and Septic Shock: A Retrospective Before-After Study.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27940189

An historical compendium of 20th-Century medical & scientific literature attesting to the efficacy of Ascorbate (Ascorbic Acid, Cevitamic Acid, Sodium Ascorbate etc. a.k.a. “Vitamin C”) in the treatment and prevention of human and animal illnesses and diseases.
https://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/

 

[Chester Copperpot]

"Works with" is not the same as "is part of". See my example of oxygen and iron. They may work together (or separately) but they are not the same. Iron is not part of oxygen and oxygen is not part of iron (iron may bond with oxygen to form iron oxide or rust).

Link is trying to sell their own vitamins. Why don't they add copper to their vitamin C if it is so important and not "real vitamin C" without it? https://www.totalhealthsecrets.com/ENGLISH/catalog/Truly-Natural-Vitamin-C-8482-270-g_1103.html



The cherries have practically no copper. https://behealthy.today/acerola-cherry-content-benefits/



Though they do have vitamin C:



(Video says Vitamin C never naturally occurs in more than 100 mg so we know it is wrong).

But he says they are "real vitamin C" so I guess "real vitamin C" does not require copper. Or it was just a sales pitch. Get you to buy some copper to go along with it.



Only $80 a pound for dried up cherries (plus shipping). These guys will sell you a pound for under $20. https://nuts.com/driedfruit/cherries/cherry-acerola.html

And as was shown earlier, vitamin C can interfere with the body's ability to use copper. More vitamin C means lower copper in the body. That is not a good synergistic relationship.

Loved the comments at the video.

why do you waste my time looking up links for you when you have no interest in learning but instead purposely bring up nonsense to refute? Please show a little more respect for people.

 

[Schifference]

Sincere question for Chester. How does one get massive dose of Vitamin C via peppers or food?

 

[Working Poor]

claims a shocking 270,000 lives in the United States every year.

Humm that is almost the same number that die from medical error.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Sincere question for Chester. How does one get massive dose of Vitamin C via peppers or food?

Eat something like acerola cherry powder. itll be about 500mg of vitamin C for a teaspoon.

but the main point here is that massive doses arent needed for the most part. Even the 20mg of Vitamin C in a white potato takes care of scurvy...."hi-potency" is a definite sign that the vitamin is synthetic and fractionated.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

No; at least not in the way you are trying to troll here.

It would practically be very difficult to impossible sustaining a "high" vitamin C intake that would affect cooper. High vitamin C intakes turn your stomach upside-down in short order. The gas and bloating are very uncomfortable.

Your experiment was rats given high C doses in 20 days. I would bet those were extraordinary doses. It all matches the model of people who tell you things like not to eat a bunch of carrots because you will overdose on vitamin A. The only problem with these imbecilic suggestions is that no one is eating sackfuls of carrots every day. You quickly tire of such food before it has an adverse effect.

I eat 100% raw and rarely--if ever--overdo it on natural foods. That's very different from from overeating on processed stuff.

There are only 8 recorded instances of people dying from hypervitamintosis A in history.. and its people like one guy who consumed 1,000,000 IUs of vitamin A a day (on days that he didnt, he would drink a gallon of carrot juice) and he was able to do this for a number of years with plenty of symptoms... and had he stopped at anytime he would have survived.. he eventually died but only after many years.

 

[shakey1]

New sepsis treatment reduces death by 87 percent

Good news indeed.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Anyway to continue our discussion of real Vitamin C.. It would stand to reason that if copper is needed for Vitamin C activity and someone has taken ascorbic acid then the body would draw on whatever reserves of copper it had to promulgate the vitamin activity.. this to me seems to explain lower blood serum levels of copper when taking vitamin C tablets as ascorbic acid.

as an aside it probably is a good indicator of how certain foods or supplements make you feel.. I can remember being a kid eating a terrifically bad diet and then taking vitamin b and feeling like i all of a sudden had a bunch of energy... however other than that instance I dont recall feeling that way from vitamin tablets (I used to take a lot back in the day believing it was the way to go)..

However I do feel great when I eat raw fruits and vegetables... even things like carrot juice.. if i drink carrot juice i just seem to want to move my body... whereas if i ate a big greasy funnel cake i just look for a place to lie down and sleep... so i think thats a telling thing in itself.

im always happy to have a discussion pro and con with stuff because thats how we learn but really dont understand the zippy trolling things like synthetic vitamins vs natural vitamins in food...

 

[angelatc]

Apparently more real than your fakery in pretending to have a real conversation. You are posting to only be contrary and no other reason. You want to act like some cute smart-ass on here? Then expect the to be treated in kind. Neg rep.

And some research:

You didn't answer the question I will rephrase it slightly: How is vitamin C chemically different than absorbic acid?

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You didn't answer the question I will rephrase it slightly: How is vitamin C chemically different than absorbic acid?

Did you mean this question for someone else? I'm just here to troll the troll.

 

[donnay]

Great info here:

 

[Chester Copperpot]

Great info here:

I didnt have much issue with what she said other than her support of the vitamin C foundation. I personally know a doctor who has cured a cancer patient with high dose intravenous ascorbic acid. (she cant officially call it a cure of course because of the medical regulations) And of course synthetic is going to be cheaper than natural. So I think for most people its going to boil down to personal experience. In the past when I would get a cold I would start popping vitamin c tablets because they said it was good for colds. Never noticed anything dramatic from it.. Now in the last year when Ive noticed myself getting a cold twice i made sure to take acerola cherry powder and the cold started going away by night time and was gone the next day. And shes right about camu camu powder..it doesnt taste too good.. but ive tasted a lot worse.. to me camu camu kind of taste like tea so a little sugar in it and its like drinking iced tea.. I stick with acerola because the taste is much better..

As for the Vitamin C foundation.. I went to their board some years ago. They basically sell Vitamin C supplements (synthetic)... They even use Albert Szent-Gyorgyi's Nobel prize speech as a justification that natural vitamin C is no better than synthetic.. Of course when I pointed out that they failed to go to the proper paragraph on the very next page where Szent-Gyorgyi directly says that the natural vitamin C worked where the synthetic did not.. The Vitamin C foundation's response to that was to simply delete my account.. So they have zero credibility with me and arent interested in anything but selling their product in my opinion.

Now Dr. Suzanne Humphries says Szent-Gyorgyi was able to cure guinea pigs in a subsequent experiment using only L-Ascorbate.. I dont know, I havent read it but even assuming she's correct IMO I feel best sticking with Natural. Nature has a way of putting ingredients in just the right amount and just the right proportion so it works best. Just one man's opinion.

 

[Chester Copperpot]

What are the "other parts"? True some vitamins work better in concert with other vitamins and minerals. That does not make the vitamin "fake".



Vitamin C is water soluble. The body does not store it.

You need to pay better attention to your reading and understanding before you ask questions like this.

 

[donnay]

I didnt have much issue with what she said other than her support of the vitamin C foundation. I personally know a doctor who has cured a cancer patient with high dose intravenous ascorbic acid. (she cant officially call it a cure of course because of the medical regulations) And of course synthetic is going to be cheaper than natural. So I think for most people its going to boil down to personal experience. In the past when I would get a cold I would start popping vitamin c tablets because they said it was good for colds. Never noticed anything dramatic from it.. Now in the last year when Ive noticed myself getting a cold twice i made sure to take acerola cherry powder and the cold started going away by night time and was gone the next day. And shes right about camu camu powder..it doesnt taste too good.. but ive tasted a lot worse.. to me camu camu kind of taste like tea so a little sugar in it and its like drinking iced tea.. I stick with acerola because the taste is much better..

As for the Vitamin C foundation.. I went to their board some years ago. They basically sell Vitamin C supplements (synthetic)... They even use Albert Szent-Gyorgyi's Nobel prize speech as a justification that natural vitamin C is no better than synthetic.. Of course when I pointed out that they failed to go to the proper paragraph on the very next page where Szent-Gyorgyi directly says that the natural vitamin C worked where the synthetic did not.. The Vitamin C foundation's response to that was to simply delete my account.. So they have zero credibility with me and arent interested in anything but selling their product in my opinion.

Now Dr. Suzanne Humphries says Szent-Gyorgyi was able to cure guinea pigs in a subsequent experiment using only L-Ascorbate.. I dont know, I havent read it but even assuming she's correct IMO I feel best sticking with Natural. Nature has a way of putting ingredients in just the right amount and just the right proportion so it works best. Just one man's opinion.

I will definitely agree that each person will have different experiences with different kinds of vitamin C. Getting it in your food, a couple times a week, gives a person a better advantage IMHO. When you're deficient, though, it might have to come down to the intravenous approach--especially when it comes to sepsis or scurvy.

I personally like Sodium Ascorbate when I feel like I am coming down with a cold or the flu.