New Republic hits Ron Paul again

[SeanEdwards]

I'm telling you - you're living in Fantasyland if you think he can "put this to bed" somehow. The bomb has gone off. The damage has been done. He has apologized for this more than once in his career. Giving attention to this garbage now will do nothing to convert people to his campaign. It will only shine more light on the problem and then more people will call for explanations, and on and on...it won't be enough.

If you really want more people to come over to Ron Paul's side, then you should be aware that making yourself look guilty has a negative effect on gathering support.

Your plan to stick your head in the sand and hope the enemies of this campaign give up this smear campaign is stupid beyond belief.

You wouldn't happen to be in the leadership of the Paul campaign staff would you? Because the nonsense you are peddling here sounds like the same kind of braindead stupidity coming out of the national HQ.

 

[Galileo Galilei]

"A fundraising letter from Paul's 1984 Senate campaign in which Paul complains about the "minions of Kissinger and Rockefeller" and "the big New York banks, and their pals in Texas" who "want me silenced.""

WOW! This is sure racist. Joke.

"The June 1996 issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report refers to Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms officers as "Jackbooted Thugs.""

Oh, how horrible.

"The September 1995 issue of the Ron Paul Survival Report asks about "Black Helicopters?""

I'm sure you couldn't paint a helicopter black, right?

"In January 1992, Paul writes about his consideration of a presidential bid which he dashed after Pat Buchanan expressed his intention to run. Paul wrote of "the essential compatibility between [Buchanan's] ideas and mine" and "agreed to serve as the chairman of his economic advisory committee.""

Oh my God, not Pat Buchanon! That's the kiss of death!

Joke.

 

[Mises]

Your plan to stick your head in the sand and hope the enemies of this campaign give up this smear campaign is stupid beyond belief.

You wouldn't happen to be in the leadership of the Paul campaign staff would you? Because the nonsense you are peddling here sounds like the same kind of braindead stupidity coming out of the national HQ.

What is truly remarkable is that you think he can hold a press conference and make this go away for good, or that someone can come forward, say "I did it!" with a sheepish grin, and all will be forgotten. Laughable.

 

[jmc1144]

No, you are the one who needs answers. Unfortunately, you are too short-sighted to understand that if he lends credibility to the matter by further addressing the issue when he already has (multiple times) that then his campaign will be ruined.

TNR is trying to goad him into holding a press conference to address the articles, which would reak of panic-stricken damage control, backtracking, and a guilty conscience.

The matter is over and done with - except in the eyes of TNR. Did you even read this latest article? It's garbage! They are trying to show he has connections with Pat Buchanan and insinuating that he did write the investment letter so he must have written all the articles in the political report. It's such a childish reach that Kirchik should be embarassed! You want Paul to cow-tow to that?

You're not going to be satisfied, so you may as well go support Kucinich.

This unwillingness to see reality and why the average American will not buy Ron's current explanation is exactly why he will not win the nomination in the end.

 

[jmc1144]

Your plan to stick your head in the sand and hope the enemies of this campaign give up this smear campaign is stupid beyond belief.

You wouldn't happen to be in the leadership of the Paul campaign staff would you? Because the nonsense you are peddling here sounds like the same kind of braindead stupidity coming out of the national HQ.

Thanks. That put Mises' stand on this into the perfect perspective.

 

[SeanEdwards]

What is truly remarkable is that you think he can hold a press conference and make this go away for good, or that someone can come forward, say "I did it!" with a sheepish grin, and all will be forgotten. Laughable.

Chucking racists and homophobes under the bus is ALWAYS the right thing to do. You're willing to lose this campaign in order to protect Lew Rockwell's feelings?

That's just dumb.

It's one thing to say that Paul has nutball supporters, but it's an entirely different thing when the nutballs are part of the campaign staff. That's a campaign killer.

 

[Mises]

JMC:

Reality? The reality is that his gets 5-10% in the polls. So let's visit utopia for awhile and assume he can actually make this all disappear. He holds a press conference, announces he did not write the letters, says it was wrong that he didn't oversee them properly, and disowns the comments. Maybe he even hangs his good friend Lew Rockwell out to dry. It's your fantasy, include whatever you want.

Great then, in our alternate universe Paul is forgiven. Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton come out and say "we forgive you, Ron." The media collectively say, "well, since he apologized and took responsibility, we can drop the issue now. He will probably gain a lot more support now. What a great guy."

Now, Ron Paul begins to spread his message and gain support. He even wins the nomination. But, because he answered the allegations (or insinuations) once before during the primaries, they will never come up again. Brit Hume, Wolf Blitzer, or Chris Matthews will not bring up these newsletters during the general election campaign because they know that Paul adequately answered the allegations. The New Republic will probably be silent on the matter as well. There is no possible way that this could come up again, forcing him to answer the charges a second time.

Keep dreaming.

The fact is that few people are really following the primaries now. Hardly anybody knows about this outside of the circle of people closely following politics. An explanation/apology right now will be used later to convict him during the general campaign. We all agree that this is a smear campaign against Paul. What on earth makes you think they will stop later on?

 

[i2ambler]

I dont find most of these letters to be all that offensive, to be honest. The only thing offensive is that TNR is trying so hard to MAKE it offensive. I dont get the bobby fischer bit.. So.. the ron paul report says congrats to bobby fischer for winning at chess. Does that mean that Ron Paul now is a holocost denier. because bobby fischer is? I dont get it.

 

[Mises]

You're willing to lose this campaign in order to protect Lew Rockwell's feelings?

Well, naturally I do not believe that the present course of action will "lose the campaign" for Ron Paul - that's kind of what we are arguing, isn't it? Trying to morph my point into something you can attack more easily isn't very dignified. In fact, some may even say that it's "dumb."

 

[jmc1144]

Ignorance is strength!

 

[A rope leash]

Texas, circa 1990

These "politically incorrect" newsletters probably went a long way in helping Ron get elected back in the Nineties. Texas is, plain and simple, a racist state. O, not officially, but spend some time any where there (except perhaps Austin), and you'll see what I mean.

His criticisms of MLK, if they are indeed his, are only offensive to the sensitive media-liberal types who think we can stop racism by eliminating the word "nigger". The fact is that racism is alive and well in the US, it just isn't front and center like it used to be. That said, I don't think there's any real antagonism between the races like there was back in the Sixties, even tough I suspect that the powers now wish there was. Most of the anger out there nowdays is toward the idiot government that has been installed. I don't think blacks blame whites for their troubles any longer...it is as Abbie Hoffman said, "we're all niggers now".

It wouldn't surprise me to find out that TEXAN Ron Paul is a secret white supremist. TEXAN George Bush is, as is Cheney, as are many elected and unelected officials of our government. But, Ron is running a new race, a national race, and he will certainly have to deal with these newsletters in a head-on fashion. I see no way he can wriggle out, really...he'll say he didn't write them or approve of them, it's just something his supporters did. It's kind of like the way he is handling the truthers..."those people support me, but I don't support them"...

So much for the honest politician...

 

[Excaliber]

Those newsletters were not written by Dr Paul. FACT !!! However, the contents are obviously from a European-American perspective. And let's face it, the contents not be politically correct, but they ARE true.

The main objective of the main stream media is to divide and/or demoralize us. Let's not let that happen, and instead fight back by increasing our support and activisms for Dr Ron Paul, the only patriotic American in the race, and the last hope for freedom, liberty, and independence for all American citizens, regardless of race or ancestry.

The only alternative to Ron Paul is One World Government enslavement, and I assure you the real, behind the scenes, masters will not be of European descent. (hint hint).

 

[jmc1144]

Those newsletters were not written by Dr Paul. FACT !!! However, the contents are obviously from a European-American perspective. And let's face it, the contents not be politically correct, but they ARE true.

The main objective of the main stream media is to divide and/or demoralize us. Let's not let that happen, and instead fight back by increasing our support and activisms for Dr Ron Paul, the only patriotic American in the race, and the last hope for freedom, liberty, and independence for all American citizens, regardless of race or ancestry.

The only alternative to Ron Paul is One World Government enslavement, and I assure you the real, behind the scenes, masters will not be of European descent. (hint hint).

If you believe in one world government, enslavement of the human race, and an elitist conspiracy, then you CANNOT possibly believe that the party will EVER give Paul the nomination, or that they have not chosen their candidate already. C'mon, Paul stands against pretty much AGAINST everything the Establishment and elite stands for. If the NWO conspiracy, and everything encompassing it, is actually true, these people would never let RP take the Republican nomination.

 

[melianthus]

And let's face it, the contents not be politically correct, but they ARE true.

(hint hint).

So, you think it is true that Martin Luther King was a homosexual pedophile? Because it actually said that in one of those newsletters.

Those newsletters are an offense to many Ron Paul supporters. And making the claim that they contain truth doesn't help.

 

[ddoggphx]

the only bad excerpts are from 91-92. the stuff in there that isn't involved with 91-92 is mostly about trilateral commission, nwo, bohemian grove, etc. and, well, that stuff isn't a big deal at all to me. TNR is conflating a bunch of different issues and trying to present them as a continuous period in which those things all persisted, all the time, but like I said, the "racist" stuff seems to be from 91-92, and the politically incorrect stuff like the bohemian grove, the nwo, AIPAC, etc. are conflated with it and tagged as "conspiracy" and "antisemitic". /shrug

And by their own article under authorship, Lew Rockwell apparently took over as editor in May 1988. LOL.

Thanks for helping to make the case that Paul wasn't involved with the newsletters during the questionable timeframe.

 

[LinearChaos]

So, you think it is true that Martin Luther King was a homosexual pedophile?

I think yer mom is! And it was written write here on this forum!

 

[LinearChaos]

And by their own article under authorship, Lew Rockwell apparently took over as editor in May 1988. LOL.

Thanks for helping to make the case that Paul wasn't involved with the newsletters during the questionable timeframe.

I'm not making a case, I am one of those people who heard about the newsletter thing a LONG LONG Time ago and at this time I could really care less about the whole thing one way or another. I'm not the one playing Divide and Conquer with the same old wedge issues.

Way to play the fools and dance right into this obvious political trap. All these people who are "new to the game" because they are attracted to Ron Paul seem pretty ignorant of Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis; Problem->Reaction->Solution. Divide and Conquer. Same shit, different day.

Good luck to the people that let Kirchick and the other rank bigots at TNR succeed at driving the most played out political wedge between them, that was the whole point.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

What is also silly about the second TNR article is that it inadvertantly confirms Paul's account about not being aware of the content. Surely Paul would have cared about COLLECTIVIST sounding rhetoric in the newsletters if he was paying attention to them. The fact that he didn't notice suggests he WASN'T paying it attention, and thus corroborates his story.

 

[fmontez]

JMC:

Reality? The reality is that his gets 5-10% in the polls. So let's visit utopia for awhile and assume he can actually make this all disappear. He holds a press conference, announces he did not write the letters, says it was wrong that he didn't oversee them properly, and disowns the comments. Maybe he even hangs his good friend Lew Rockwell out to dry. It's your fantasy, include whatever you want.

Great then, in our alternate universe Paul is forgiven. Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton come out and say "we forgive you, Ron." The media collectively say, "well, since he apologized and took responsibility, we can drop the issue now. He will probably gain a lot more support now. What a great guy."

Now, Ron Paul begins to spread his message and gain support. He even wins the nomination. But, because he answered the allegations (or insinuations) once before during the primaries, they will never come up again. Brit Hume, Wolf Blitzer, or Chris Matthews will not bring up these newsletters during the general election campaign because they know that Paul adequately answered the allegations. The New Republic will probably be silent on the matter as well. There is no possible way that this could come up again, forcing him to answer the charges a second time.

Keep dreaming.

The fact is that few people are really following the primaries now. Hardly anybody knows about this outside of the circle of people closely following politics. An explanation/apology right now will be used later to convict him during the general campaign. We all agree that this is a smear campaign against Paul. What on earth makes you think they will stop later on?

We all know Ron Paul is a long shot... and this scandal makes it even more so... so we either give up and stick our heads in the sands and ignore it, and Dr. Paul goes down but he at least got to say his piece....

OR Dr. Paul addresses it, finds out who wrote the letters, and exposes the racist pigs (there are probably a whole gaggle of these nutball writers, this is a 20+ year scandal) and we run a race for President.

 

[entwife]

The comments in most of those letters aren't untrue, they're just ROUGH language. Plus they were written at a time before 'Political Correctness' had us in the same death grip that it does today. He is not going to give us anymore than he's already said about these letters beyond repeating himself. A white person critisizing non-whites may be a thought crime today but it was not then, and it does not mean that you don't still care about people of other races. Ron Paul is not a white supremist, he cares about all of our individual liberty, including but not limited to, white peoples'.