NEW LAW require insurance to pay for chips implanted in babies! [Cochlear implants]

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The bill was proposed in Wisc legislation to force private health insurances to pay for Cochlear Implants ($50,000 per CI). IMHO, this is a SICKO ..... while cancer patients are denied for chemo treatment coverage, denied for kidney transplant coverage, denied for breast size reduction coverage and denied for many other coverages on life threat-related diseases?!

Apprently, this give many doctors/parents a great incentive to implant all chips inside children's heads who may not be aware of the whole medical procedure?! (Today, 75% children with CIs failed)

What kind of government is this?

[url]http://www.wiscnews.com/bdc/business/448560[/URL]


I need a favor from one of you, can someone please type out and send me a transcript of this vlog? PM me. Thank you.
YouTube - Cochlear Implant is part of Eugenics Movement As Shown in ENDGAM3 film
 
i don't agree with forcing anything, and no its certainly not life threatening.... but where do you get the information that cochlear implants are chips?

i know a guy, who has been deaf his entire life. he just got cochlear implants last year, he can hear really really well now, i know hes extremely grateful for them.

that being said he is the only one i know whos ever had them, and i have no idea how or who paid for them, and i have never done a single minute of research on them, so i don't know much about them in particular.
 
Heh, ya, cochlear implants are not chips, but that is definitely not a free market solution either.
 
Take a deep breath and relax. They do not put cochlear implants in babies. The implants are not chips. They do not have a 75% failure rate. While I do not agree with mandating that insurance companies be required to pay for them, the rest is pure sensationalism.
http://www.medhelp.org/lib/100coc.htm
Children

Cochlear implants have also been shown to result in successful speech perception in children. Currently, the earliest age of implantation is 24 months, but there are reasons to reassess this age threshold. A younger age of implantation may limit the negative consequences of auditory deprivation and may allow more efficient acquisition of speech and language. Determining whether cochlear implant benefits are greater in children implanted at age 2-3 years as compared to those implanted at age 4-5 years might resolve this issue, but sufficient data are unavailable. It is also not clear that the benefits of implantation before age 2 years would offset potential liabilities associated with the increased difficulty in obtaining reliable and valid characterization of hearing and functional communication status at the younger age. A number of children under age 2 years have received implants, both internationally and in the United States, when it was thought that bone growth associated with meningitis would preclude implantation at a later date. Speech/language data obtained on such children will be helpful in determining the potential benefits of early implantation and therefore may help to guide future policy.

Audiologic Criteria

Children age 2 years or older with profound (greater than 90 dBHL) sensorineural hearing loss bilaterally and minimal speech perception under best aided conditions may be considered for cochlear implantation. In the young child, auditory brainstem response, stapedial reflex testing, and/or otoacoustic emission testing may be useful when combined with auditory behavioral responses to determine hearing status. Prior to implantation, a trial period with appropriate amplification combined with intensive auditory training should have been attempted to ensure that maximal benefit has been achieved. When the validity of behavioral test results is compromised by maturational factors, the above criteria should be applied in the most stringent manner (i.e., worse hearing sensitivity, longer trial periods, and so on). Current research may broaden audiometric criteria for candidacy to better reflect functional auditory capacity.

Medical and Surgical Criteria

Children should undergo a complete medical evaluation to rule out the presence of active disease, which would be a contraindication to surgery. The child must be otologically stable and free of active middle ear disease prior to cochlear implantation. The radiologic imaging criteria used in adult candidates can be applied to children.

ON failrures:
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=212756
Objective: Our aim was to present a failure analysis after cochlear implant revision surgery in a large series of children and adults and to assess the outcome and audiologic performance. Methods: Fifty-six cochlear implant failures that occurred in 422 devices implanted between 1990 and 2007 at the Department of Otolaryngology, Head and Neck Surgery at the University of Mainz, Germany, were retrospectively analyzed. The causes of failure were reviewed evaluating the individual history, telemetric and intraoperative findings and manufacturer's investigation reports. Results: We performed 56 surgical revisions in a series of 422 consecutive implants (overall revision rate: 13.27%). The most frequent causes for revision were hard failures (58.9%), most commonly caused by traumatic impact (37.5%), especially in the pediatric population. Soft failures were less frequent (21.4%). Surgical reimplantations, although challenging in some cases, were performed without complications and with an electrode insertion depth comparable to that at the time of the initial implantation in all patients. The average audiologic performance improved by 2.4 dB in pure-tone perception levels after reimplantation. Conclusion: The cochlear implant failure rates vary between children and adults as well as between different implant manufactures. However, cochlear reimplantation is safe with excellent and predictable results in audiologic performance.
 
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Chip and 75%

Thanks Juan for thorough measurement on device failures. 75% failures has nothing to do with defective products. What I meant by "75% failed", children with CIs are not able to fully comprehend the sounds of words, not able to speak fluently. Yet, doctors continue to doing many implantions of CIs, they do not want to be restricted. The youngest age to obtain a CI which I last heard was a 6 month old child. I reviewed FDA.org and they indicated 12 month old.

I'm using high techy hearing aid made by digital design. It works fine for me. Some people choose to wear CIs, I respect that as long as they are able to use self-autonomy. They make their own decisions...

Unfortunately those 75% children with failed CIs are tired and working so hard with help by parents' obession on their speech/hearing skills. Their other learning stages start to decline as they grow as they eventually struggle to living independently. Why are there so many parents being too hopeful that their deaf children can be fixed, be able to speak/hear and to fit in their hearing society. So sad.

BTW, yes the product that is implanted inside the head is a chip with thin line of coil... I did not say "Micro-Chip",,, chip has to be made of metal so it can connect with speech processor (magnet) ... here's picture below to give you a better idea...

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Parental Rights VS Children's Rights

To communicate with parents through educational method is the most difficult challenge. They constantly said that they have the rights to make all medical decisions. Doctors play like God and take advantage of parents' grief as a sign of weakness. They often tell them that their deaf children can be "fixed"... What a false hope... Explaining the philosophy of Liberty and Mechanical has not been an easy job...

8,000 to 12,000 children getting Cochlear Implants per year...

12,000 times $50,000, how much per year? :eek:
 
Kirby and Spookley Stood up and responded to "Eradiciting Deafness" news

KUDOS to Spookley and Kirby for speaking out! Kirby was a former user of Cochelar Implant but stops using it... Said it was annoying him and didn't have any fun. He couldn't play sports, spent so much time on speech/hearing skill training. Now he's the hockey player and enjoys being Captial D DEAF!. They responded to recent letter on "Eradicting Deafness" The comments are interesting! :rolleyes:

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Advocates want better services for the deaf, not just cochlear implants

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Jennifer Sooley and Stephen Kirby seen outside the HUB on Merrymeeting Road Thursday afternoon. — Photo by Joe Gibbons/The Telegram​
 
Sorry, why is it bad for deaf children to be able to hear? Or is it the intervention you are against?
 
Sorry, why is it bad for deaf children to be able to hear? Or is it the intervention you are against?

75% grown children who obtained an implantion of Chip without informed consent, are angry and do not want to be forced wearing Cochlear Implants. They could not hear and comprehend any word, just environmental sounds. They are exhausted of everyone's obession on their hearing/speech skills and they want to be freed from those officals' oppression. Take their own virtues back.

Without informed consent and putting CIs in Deaf babies are bad... We support other safe options such as hearing aids (without implanted chips), American Sign Language, free self-exploratory on values/goals/beliefs. We share the same culture and norms. I have been wearing a hearing aid and I'm happy with its high digital technology. Even some friends I know who were born deaf, developed perfect speech and lipreading skills without CIs. What more is there to continue doing all experiments and getting deaf babies "fixed"?

Ron Paul and Alex Jones are against Force, Violation and threat. On one of Alex Jones's film, EndGame, he showed Cochlear Implant as part of Eugenics movement. have you seen it?
 
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Sorry, why is it bad for deaf children to be able to hear? Or is it the intervention you are against?

I'm not sure because I am not deaf. If I lost my hearing I'd want it back. But the fact is I know only a couple of deaf people, and one of them had parents who tried to give him a cochlear implant and he was very emotional about it and refused. He had a lot of heated arguments with his parents over the issue.

Now he has a hearing daughter who is almost grown, but he is still happy with his decision.
 
videos to help you understand?

I'm not sure because I am not deaf. If I lost my hearing I'd want it back. But the fact is I know only a couple of deaf people, and one of them had parents who tried to give him a cochlear implant and he was very emotional about it and refused. He had a lot of heated arguments with his parents over the issue.

Now he has a hearing daughter who is almost grown, but he is still happy with his decision.

Here are videos that might help you to understand. Watch their real life stories:
Be sure to click "CC" to watch it with captioning, "CC"'s on right bottom corner with arrow.

Part 4
YouTube - Part 4-Final Mother Teresa Supports Every Child's Right to Life Liberty and Property ASL Captioning[/URL]

Part 3
YouTube - Part 3 Mother Teresa Supports Every Child's Right To Life, Liberty and Property (ASL captioning)[/URL]
 
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CIs for adults only, with informed consent..

I'm not sure because I am not deaf. If I lost my hearing I'd want it back. But the fact is I know only a couple of deaf people, and one of them had parents who tried to give him a cochlear implant and he was very emotional about it and refused. He had a lot of heated arguments with his parents over the issue.

Now he has a hearing daughter who is almost grown, but he is still happy with his decision.

CIs are good for adults who have developed a latened deafness then CIs would benefit them, but for babies, without infomed medical consent, no way.

Remember doctor Ron Paul said he's against the idea of force.
 
Your tone is clearly an evidence of audism...

I would gladly provide you source datas but the way you state things in your quote, you are audist... I sense that you are against our Deaf Culture... I don't need to discuss my data with you...

For more information about audism, see wikipedia:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audism[/URL]

Audism is a term used to describe discrimination or stereotypes against deaf or hard of hearing people, for example by assuming that the cultural ways of hearing people are preferable or superior to those of deaf or signing culture, or that deaf people are somehow less capable than hearing people. It also can be used to describe the opposite, deaf people who scorn those with hearing.


I'd like to see your source data on this one. It may very well be true, but I have a hard time believing it. You also mention "I have been wearing a hearing aid and I'm happy with its high digital technology." Great, I'm happy for you! But why is that basis to assume no other child would want one, what about the other 25% of children who liked their CI?

You've now mentioned twice, that hearing aids are an alternative to CIs. The two technologies act completely differently and it isn't fair to propose that hearing aids be used instead, when they won't work in as many cases.

Also, I may not understand Eugenics as well as I think I do, but isn't this the exact opposite? We're not trying to hinder deaf people so as to remove their flawed genes from the gene pool; we are, in fact, trying to advance their state in life as best as we know how.

While I do believe in a person's right to choose (or being protected from having choices forced on them) I'm very torn about this issue.

Let's use vaccinations as an example. An infant is clearly in no position to make a decision regarding whether or not to be vaccinated, and yet, without those vaccinations they may catch certain diseases that may have lasting effects (back when it was still around, Polio.) Obviously we can't know what their decision might have been, but we assume that they'd want to walk, because we would want to.

Now CIs are obviously not a life threatening condition, and they can always be put in at a later date, when the person is capable of making their own choice regarding the issue. My only qualm comes from the issue of acclimation. The longer a person has time to acclimate to a CI the better their results, or so I've been told. If a person can only ever remember hearing the noises a CI generates, they can more effectively respond to them, whereas a person who has lived in silence for 18 years would have a much harder time adjusting. There was a case study (I wish I could find it, somebody help me out) of a man who was blind for the majority of his life. Then (I can't remember if it was just a "miracle" or whether he had some special procedure) sight was restored to him. Unfortunately, "seeing" isn't just something you can do, it's something you have to learn how to do. Perceiving depth, making out distinct shapes, separating foreground from background, these are all things we learn to do as we grow. The same principal can be applied to all of our senses. We have to learn how to hear, how to recognize what a noise means, interpret where it came from, etc. If we can start a child learning how to do those things, why wouldn't we? Why would we assume that they can make any more of an informed consent when they're older, having never experienced sound? I like the way my PI describes informed consent to me, and I think it applies here, "I can do my best to explain what's going to happen, what I'm going to do, how it will affect you, and what might go wrong. That being said, it isn't reasonable for me to assume you actually know what I'm talking about unless you've gone through all the training and school I have. Informed consent isn't so much the patient choosing one thing over another, it's simply an acknowledgment that they don't know what's right, but they're willing to trust me to make that call." The parents aren't sure what their child might choose, how a CI might benefit or hinder them, but they're making the best call they can.

I don't think parents are wrong for wanting to be able to talk to their child, or to let them have a chance to hear the world around them (or vice versa.) I also believe, that parents are the authority in this area-while a child is too young to make decisions for themselves-NOT the government or doctors. But again, we don't know what their decision is, so I believe the assumption that a human being would want to hear rather than be deaf has to be made. I wonder if the same question would arise if instead of treating deafness, we were treating paralysis. Should one allow their child to be confined to a wheel chair for 12 odd years and then allow them to decide if they wanted to walk? Maybe a child should be blind until their 16th birthday and then have a choice to decide whether to see or not? When I ask myself these questions, I can't answer anything other than "Of course they'd want to walk/see, I'm human too, I can empathize with that situation." And it's that answer that makes me question why I have to think about this situation so carefully.

If it turns out that when the child is old enough they want to have the implant removed, or simply turned off, they should be free to do so. You can't provide them with a choice as an infant, but if you don't give them a CI, they won't have a "choice" when they're old enough. In order to make the best choice for themselves, they need to know both options. You can make a "choice" only knowing one option, but that's really more of coin toss than a mediated decision.
 
Here's CI-Truther

This young boy, 16, got cochlear implant at age 3, here is his message to all parents who consider on agreeing to put in a forcible cochlear implants in deaf babies....

YouTube - SHOULD CI FOR BABIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN BE BAN?[/URL]


Transcript:
YES! BAN MUST BE ALLOW! HEARING PEOPLE READ THIS! IT SAME WHAT I SAID IN VIDEO
Hello people on youtube. You already seen and hear my story about CI Cochlear. I know it should impact you people. Hearing parents of deaf children, DO NOT FOCRE them to get CI! Let them grow and learn about this first. Because they can make choice! BABIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN CANT UNDERSTAND CHOICE! You SHOULD wait! Ignore what doctor suggests you about CI. Tell them to shut up! Let your children make Choice! Thats not fair to force them to have CI. It already ruins my deaf pride and culture! YOU WILL RUIN THEIR DEAF PRIDE AND DEAF CULTURE, IF YOU FORCE THEM TO TAKE CI! I dont care what you think its right for your children! I am against CI for babies and young children! Its okay for your hearing children to take CI when they loss hear. NOT OKAY FOR DEAF CHILDREN! That why i want to someone BAN CI for babies and young children! You SHOULD LET THEM MAKE CHOICE! ACCEPT IT! You know that, when you force them to take CI..later they learn about it, they would be upset and could break CI! You pay a lot of money, right? Too bad, thats what you get for force them. And maybe they could against you. I am not against my parent. My parent thought it right for me, BUT ITS NOT. Please wait and let them make their own choice. Its such shame when you force them. However, if you did, tell them that you are sorry. Then take CI away from them, if they want. Let them be. Now, anyone supports this, please make video and tell you want to BAN CI for babies and young children. If not, then shut up and dont make hate comments! Peace!




YouTube - experiences with my parents and ci

Transcript:
hello children and deaf and hearing parents, I want to tell you about my experiences with my parents and CI. *show Cochlear* long time ago, I was 3 or 4, my mom took me to doctor for CI. I didnt know and has no idea about CI, I didnt get chance to make choice. After surgery, I begin to work with my CI. Its NOT easy work. Its takes alot hard work to learn ALL sound. Same with voice, way they talk. So, about three years ago, I was 13. I learn about CI, i felt like left out because they didnt give me a choice if i want CI or not. They just went ahead without ask me. They think its right for me...no. it already ruins my deaf culture, i dont know about ASL, only just English sign. And they forced me to learn talk. Now, i was 13 and i was very mad, so i broke it. Now im 16, i made choice to take CI again, because i lost deaf culture, and now i want to hear. I hate it. However, people. If you plan to give CI to your child, just DONT! Wait for them to grow and learn about CI. So they CAN make choice. Thats not fair when you go AHEAD give CI to your baby or child when they has no idea about it. SAD. However, you gave your baby or child a CI..you ARLEADY ruins their deaf PRIDE and culture. Im deaf, AND i like way i am. Same with deaf children! Let them make choice! Or later they would felt left out and maybe against you. Please, wait and let them learn about it first. Then ask to see if they want it or NOT. I love my parent but i hate part of them. Right now. I made choice, i want to hear again. And im not happy about it. Thank for watch my video. Please leave your comments about opinion about CI. Peace out
 
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This young boy, 16, got cochlear implant at age 3, here is his message to all parents who consider on agreeing to put in a forcible cochlear implants in deaf babies....

YouTube - SHOULD CI FOR BABIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN BE BAN?[/URL]


Transcript:
YES! BAN MUST BE ALLOW! HEARING PEOPLE READ THIS! IT SAME WHAT I SAID IN VIDEO
Hello people on youtube. You already seen and hear my story about CI Cochlear. I know it should impact you people. Hearing parents of deaf children, DO NOT FOCRE them to get CI! Let them grow and learn about this first. Because they can make choice! BABIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN CANT UNDERSTAND CHOICE! You SHOULD wait! Ignore what doctor suggests you about CI. Tell them to shut up! Let your children make Choice! Thats not fair to force them to have CI. It already ruins my deaf pride and culture! YOU WILL RUIN THEIR DEAF PRIDE AND DEAF CULTURE, IF YOU FORCE THEM TO TAKE CI! I dont care what you think its right for your children! I am against CI for babies and young children! Its okay for your hearing children to take CI when they loss hear. NOT OKAY FOR DEAF CHILDREN! That why i want to someone BAN CI for babies and young children! You SHOULD LET THEM MAKE CHOICE! ACCEPT IT! You know that, when you force them to take CI..later they learn about it, they would be upset and could break CI! You pay a lot of money, right? Too bad, thats what you get for force them. And maybe they could against you. I am not against my parent. My parent thought it right for me, BUT ITS NOT. Please wait and let them make their own choice. Its such shame when you force them. However, if you did, tell them that you are sorry. Then take CI away from them, if they want. Let them be. Now, anyone supports this, please make video and tell you want to BAN CI for babies and young children. If not, then shut up and dont make hate comments! Peace!




YouTube - experiences with my parents and ci

Transcript:
hello children and deaf and hearing parents, I want to tell you about my experiences with my parents and CI. *show Cochlear* long time ago, I was 3 or 4, my mom took me to doctor for CI. I didnt know and has no idea about CI, I didnt get chance to make choice. After surgery, I begin to work with my CI. Its NOT easy work. Its takes alot hard work to learn ALL sound. Same with voice, way they talk. So, about three years ago, I was 13. I learn about CI, i felt like left out because they didnt give me a choice if i want CI or not. They just went ahead without ask me. They think its right for me...no. it already ruins my deaf culture, i dont know about ASL, only just English sign. And they forced me to learn talk. Now, i was 13 and i was very mad, so i broke it. Now im 16, i made choice to take CI again, because i lost deaf culture, and now i want to hear. I hate it. However, people. If you plan to give CI to your child, just DONT! Wait for them to grow and learn about CI. So they CAN make choice. Thats not fair when you go AHEAD give CI to your baby or child when they has no idea about it. SAD. However, you gave your baby or child a CI..you ARLEADY ruins their deaf PRIDE and culture. Im deaf, AND i like way i am. Same with deaf children! Let them make choice! Or later they would felt left out and maybe against you. Please, wait and let them learn about it first. Then ask to see if they want it or NOT. I love my parent but i hate part of them. Right now. I made choice, i want to hear again. And im not happy about it. Thank for watch my video. Please leave your comments about opinion about CI. Peace out

I, for one, don't give too much credence to the collectivist argument that it "ruins deaf culture". Why can't we just have a switch, and if they don't want to hear, turn them off?

Replace the word Deaf with White, and you'll see how stupid this argument is.

In any event, it's the parent's choice, just like most anything else medically related to their child.
 
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