New Hampshire: Headquarters for Liberty

Since the Majority Rules, we're getting our butt kicked. We need a headquarters.

How will you persuade people to change their minds if you aren't among them? I believe an outsider preaching from his freedom-castle would repel people. Unless you've already made the decision that it's hopeless and to raise the drawbridge.
 
How will you persuade people to change their minds if you aren't among them? I believe an outsider preaching from his freedom-castle would repel people. Unless you've already made the decision that it's hopeless and to raise the drawbridge.

Once we conquer New Hampshire and establish a headquarters, we can start sending freedom missionaries to other states and dominate those as well. It's like we're making a homeland for ourselves.

How will you persuade people to change their minds if you aren't among them?

We're currently trying that right now and we're failing miserably. Most Americans feel there's no hope and don't even try. We need that major victory to give people hope so we can persuasion them.
 
I'm familiar with many supporting arguments for the Free State Project. One is that some of us would like freedom sooner rather than later, and the FSP is the best effort so far to accomplish that. Another is that we're spread too thin, a distinct minority, and that maybe aggregating a bit might help reach critical mass. Yet a third (which I don't think is crazy) is that we want a stronghold that will be safe from the NWO if the shit hits the fan.

I agree with all of these, but my favorite of all seems to never come up. The most important reason to support (and participate in) the FSP is to show the world what freedom is, because no one currently alive has ever seen it.

Think about it. When in recorded human history has there been freedom on a large and visible scale (I'm discounting small or remote populations that were left undisturbed)? In Greece, thousands of years ago, and in America, briefly, for less than a century after the War of Independence. That's... pretty much it.

We talk about liberty, and we mean it more than the empty rhetoric taught in school and spewed forth by politicians, but even to us, it is still an idea, an intangible. We know we're right, but we can't prove it. We know where we want to go, but we can point to it and say "behold, this is what freedom is". No one alive, not even us, has ever really tasted or even witnessed freedom. By that standard, landing on the moon was an easier task than bringing freedom to the world - even a small part of it.

I've instinctively been libertarian minded all my life, but I only started taking politics seriously about four years ago, and only dedicated myself fully to the pursuit of liberty one year ago. I've read history and philosophy, studied economics, undertook to understand human nature and organizational behavior, and after much consideration, comfortably arrived at my current understanding of liberty and dedication to achieving it. But I, and others like me, are like the Wright Brothers in 1899 - we've never actually flown.

When we finally take flight, we will have vindicated both our efforts and our values, but just as importantly, we will have shown the world that freedom can be real. In the words of Adelai Niska, "now my reputation with you is fact, is solid".

There is no substitute for that. No book, no documentary, no campaign, no campfire chat will compare to the undisputable, unignorable, it-tastes-so-good tangible proof of the practicality and achievability of freedom. Then we take the Pepsi challenge, and watch the people wake up to the contrast.

Nothing else will work. You'll have an easier time selling shares in a startup with no working products than trying to persuade people to your viewpoints on government on reason alone.

To sum up - "show me the money".

PS-And because I'm such a Joss Whedon junky, I'll throw in one more quote, this one by Angel: "We live as though the world is as it should be, to show the world what it can be."
 
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this project appears to be dead

Actually, we've had almost 20 new movers in the last 30 days alone.


even worse, most of the so-called freestaters ignored Ron Paul. Fail.
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It's actually just the opposite.

"Members of the libertarian Free State Project, which adopted New Hampshire in 2003, were (Ron) Paul's initial toehold in the first-primary state" -- Associated Press, November 6, 2007
 
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But what about the migration of Massachusetts liberals to the suburbs in NH? It's kind of hard to offset that kind of influx. Montana or somewhere like that seems to be a better fit.

The Wall Street Journal did an analysis of that and the people moving from Massachusetts are mostly people who want low taxes and low regulation (in other words, they know WHY they're moving from MA). My personal experience backs this up as well.
 
I feel more of us need to be dispersed amongst the multitudes instead of being concentrated in one location, as fun as it would be to live amongst like-minded friends.

Yeah, it is fun! :D

But I dunno man...I mean, we've been trying the dispersed thing for at least 50 years (since the founding of the Libertarian Party) and we have almost nothing to show for it. We need to work smarter.

NH will be a last resort for me once I know for sure that Americans do not want liberty and the country is beyond repair. Until then, I will be the best example I can of integrity and honesty in a world of doublespeak and illusion.

I know exactly what you're saying. I moved to NH when I realized that I couldn't make a lasting difference where I was or on the national level.
 
Yeah, it is fun! :D

But I dunno man...I mean, we've been trying the dispersed thing for at least 50 years (since the founding of the Libertarian Party) and we have almost nothing to show for it. We need to work smarter.

Exactly. The dispersed thing hasn't worked out too well.

We need to gather our armies together and conquer one territory at a time.
 
I don't know about "conquer." Educate and liberate is more like it ;)
 
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That's what happens when someone forms their opinion on the topic based solely on a single number in a single contest (8% in the presidential primary - not even a state race)

I have yet to see a Free Stater take accountability for the fact that NH failed all of us in the primaries. This has to have some impact on your perception of NH as the best state.

I used to dream of moving to New Hampshire and living with people who appreciate liberty, and putting "Live Free or Die" on my liscense plate. But when Ron Paul got only 18000 votes it woke me up. Things got worse when I took a vacation there this summer and had to pass by barn after barn that had a huge Obama banner on it.

When the man on the mountain fell, it symbolized the transition from "Live Free or Die" to "Dead"

The state has almost perfect laws, but they are deteriorating. The free state should take a state that is ripe for liberty and improve it, instead of pushing with futility to save a dying place.
 
The best reason of all for NH is that it has the first primary so it has a huge effect on the later states.
 
FSP rules. There is no McCain support in NH, the election was a farce. Diebold FTW.
 
I agree with all of these, but my favorite of all seems to never come up. The most important reason to support (and participate in) the FSP is to show the world what freedom is, because no one currently alive has ever seen it.

u r a champ ofer!
 
yeah lets all move to a east coast state that basically sucks, once you live in colorado or west, why the hell would you want to move east of denver.. sorry NH ,im from the east coast myself , i wouldn't move back even if someone tried to pay me to move there..


pick a state like colorado where people want to move to and the mtn communities are already open to your message......... a road has already been paved in colorado, but everyone ignores the reality of this....
 
The state has almost perfect laws, but they are deteriorating. The free state should take a state that is ripe for liberty and improve it, instead of pushing with futility to save a dying place.

Liberty is dying EVERYWHERE and FAST. In fact, some would argue that us younger people have never even seen freedom.

Having said that, New Hampshire is still America's freest state and it has maintained that distinction for a long time. The freest isn't good enough though. We're going to make it truly free.
 
It appears that some people are missing my point. I'm not saying that New Hampshire is the paradise land full of Ron Paul libertarians.

I'm merely pointing to the fact that New Hampshire will be the most strategic state to take control of. After time it will come to reflect the majority of the people there and become a Ron Paul paradise.
 
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