Nevada results rolling in now!

[MsDoodahs]

One thing I've seen here is that there is no clear successor to Ron. Many assume its Rand but I don't think that's a sure thing.

Correct.

Men like Ron Paul are extremely, extremely rare.

This is a once in a hundred years or so opportunity - and we're all blessed to be supporters of this man.

 

[Dave39168]

Add me to the 'I don't give a damn about Rand' camp. He's just another republican with a few libertarian impulses. He's not his father. And what's to say he'll run in 2016 or be taken any more seriously by the establishment or voters?

If we aren't doing very well after super tuesday (like, at least in solid second), I say we go full speed ahead on a Libertarian ticket (they already have ballot access in all 50 states) with Paul at the top and maybe Johnson at the bottom of the ticket.

The stealth delegate strategy is nonsense. It's just not going to work. I'm sorry. We have momentum now. We can get in the debates against Romney and Obama. We can at least make a run and continue getting the ideas to more people, and perhaps at the same time, build the Libertarian party as a viable alternative.

The stealth delegate strategy in NOT nonsense. Did you follow the Nevada state convention in 2008. The delegates were there! Sue Lowden basicly shut off the lights and sent everyone home when she realized this. I'm not betting on a brokered convention this time via stealth delegates, but the delegates are what counts and it can be done.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

And you lose the Ron Paul support at perceived ability to compromise.

If you cant compromise a little bit, how can you expect to work with Congress? XD... Since it is a "bi-partisanship". He also brings both sides, the left and the right, together. Naturally he has to compromise between the two sides to reach a common goal.

 

[Pisces]

I don't hate Rand. I would still vote for him. I'm just not that enthusiastic about him.

And I'm saying that people like Justin Amash or anyone else running for office on a liberty platform won't be negatively affected by a Ron Paul 3rd party run. The principles of limited government, non interventionism, and fiscal responsibility aren't ideas that belong exclusively to Ron Paul. He's just one messenger. Lots of other people can carry the message and be completely unassociated with Ron Paul.

But they will be negatively affected if everyone gives up on trying to work within the Republican party to change it. I don't think people should vote for Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich. So I'm not against sending a message of No One But Paul for president. I just don't see how at this point we can make progress electing liberty candidates without participating in one of the two major parties and I'm afraid an independant run might lead to us just becoming more marginalized.

 

[kylejack]

Who cares? That doesn't stop us from appearing on the ballot.

Well, it might. Americans Elect has been very elusive about their process.

 

[bluesc]

Who cares? That doesn't stop us from appearing on the ballot.

The people who run it decide who appears on the ballot in a closed door meeting.

 

[dvalukis]

Ron Paul took something close to 50% of the youth vote in IA and NH. You think they're all going to suddenly become neocons when they get older after being awoken to the message of liberty at a young age? These ARE the children of neocons, statistically.

LOL, My sociology professor used to always refer to the studies showing the vast majority of young people as democrats, but as they get older transfer to a more conservative viewpoint. Because when you're young you can be idealistic and you have time to think. There's also a lack of pragmatic thought, since the biggest thing you've done up to that time is apply to a university or take the SAT's. As you get older a need for less taxes, stability, security, and a sense "Shining City on the Hill" takes hold.

Anyways, to what you said. I wonder if there's maybe going to be a cohort of us Paul supporters who are young and think we can just get rid of all these government agencies, bring all the troops home from everywhere, and start working on abolishing the Fed, but when we get older realize how big of a task it really is to shift America in that direction. So 20 years from now there's an established "young republican" and "elder republican" base that are separate, but still function under the same party together. For instance, the young libertarians are always demanding the "NOW, DO IT NOW" kinda mentality whereas the elected elders have to pragmatically undertake what everyone in the GOP is trying to achieve, which will take YEARSSSSS. So you're right, except that we won't be neo-cons. We'll be the ones actually trying to implement these policies and ideas.

 

[bbwarfield]

I have decided to share my favorite recipes on this thread...... Cause it seems to be the best place for people to see it and there's many other Non related things on here.... So when you come to see Nevada numbers you'll be pleasantly surprised to learn the secrets of pineapples chicken. (please take the rand convo and the voter fraud convo somewhere else.... People are looking for numbers and a little bit of analysis here.... If it continues I'll post my great uncle Alberta hemroids cure..... And you'll never get that out of your heads)

 

[MsDoodahs]

If you cant compromise a little bit, how can you expect to work with Congress? XD... Since it is a "bi-partisanship". He also brings both sides, the left and the right, together. Naturally he has to compromise between the two sides to reach a common goal.

Dr. Paul does not compromise on his principles.

Different aspects *of the ideas* appeal to different partisan sides.

Ron doesn't compromise.

 

[Pisces]

Yep. People fall in line as they progress in life. They want to fit in eventually.

A fun very short story about a Paul supporter from '08:

Someone who supported Ron in '08 who decided to run for Congress suddenly denounces Ron's foreign policy in an interview. If you can't stand on principle when running for office, how can anyone trust you to stand on principle when IN office?

People like Glen Bradley are the rare ones. Most Paul supporters who run for office will fall in line.

Maybe he just honestly disagrees with Ron's foreign policy. A lot of his supporters do you know. They just believe that he's the best candidate on the totality of the issues.

 

[MsDoodahs]

"Unofficial, first-out Clark County totals: Newt: 2,751, Paul: 3,275, Romney: 9,824, Santorum: 1,180. Total: 17,078. And, scene"

Just tweeted by that Ralston guy.

 

[AhuwaleKaNaneHuna]

I'm not making a statement as to how well he lives up to the legacy, just that his standards are set in people's mind based on his father. Does anyone say about any other liberty candidate "he's not Ron Paul" as a reason to not support him?

I do not know what the qualifyer is to be called a Liberty candidate.

I don't know how many people blindly put time, money or votes behind someone with the label , without vetting them out for them selves first.

If I researched Rand, not knowing he was related to Ron, I would have no interest in him.

I am just saying that I wouldn't take it for granted that all Ron Supporters are also Rand supporters, when anyone is proposing strategies for Paul, that take into consideration Rands political future.

Blindly supporting someone because they fall under a label that you accepted by someone elses virtue, is how the neocons took over the Republican party. The voters stopped vetting as they assumed all after Reagan were like him.

 

[Dave39168]

Ron Paul took something close to 50% of the youth vote in IA and NH. You think they're all going to suddenly become neocons when they get older after being awoken to the message of liberty at a young age? These ARE the children of neocons, statistically.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to cornell again.

exactly!

 

[freneticentropy]

The stealth delegate strategy in NOT nonsense. Did you follow the Nevada state convention in 2008. The delegates were there! Sue Lowden basicly shut off the lights and sent everyone home when she realized this. I'm not betting on a brokered convention this time via stealth delegates, but the delegates are what counts and it can be done.

The bottom line is that eventually we have to get at least half the delegates. Even if we manage to get 40% of them (which is waaaaaay optimistic), the rest of the delegates will congregate around Romney to stop Paul. We are the splinter group. The rest of the candidates are homogenous. They'll band together to stop the outsider. I just don't understand how anyone who has watched how the GOP has acted the last four years could possibly think that they'll let Paul win in a brokered convention in any way, shape, or form.

 

[bluesc]

Maybe he just honestly disagrees with Ron's foreign policy. A lot of his supporters do you know. They just believe that he's the best candidate on the totality of the issues.

Voiced support for it in the past. That was my point.

 

[kylejack]

"Unofficial, first-out Clark County totals: Newt: 2,751, Paul: 3,275, Romney: 9,824, Santorum: 1,180. Total: 17,078. And, scene"

Just tweeted by that Ralston guy.

Paul and Newt both +500 or so, so no additional gain. Looks like we're getting third.

 

[MsDoodahs]

Yep, if what he tweeted is the same as the "official" whenever they get around to adding it, looks like it.

 

[JasonM]

Or it would make the GOP go "how can we get these voters to vote for our nominee"? If people vote for Romney they have zero incentive to change their ways.

There is merit to this line of reasoning. 3rd Parties aren't completely ineffective JUST because they rarely win elections (if you count congressional wins). If a 3rd party gets enough popularity, one or both parties tend to try to coopt the message as their own in a play to steal voters back. It usually works. And while the 3rd party fails, it forces their message into the political dialogue and finds its way into party platforms.

In effect, the 3rd party achieves its aims to get it's single or range of issues the microphone it needs.

BUT Paul has to contend with sore loser laws. If he didn't run in the primary, he could have given it a shot.

No, this is what we have Gary Johnson for. Gary Johnson needs to basically get the blessing of Paul and carry on the torch for liberty in the general, and all of us need to get behind him.

Ron Paul is due for a much needed retirement, and needs to devote his remaining energies to building this movement he helped start and electing liberty minded people like his son into offices across the nation.

 

[SCOTUSman]

Lisa Murkowski won as a WRITE IN for US Senate.....after losing her party's primary just last congressional election

 

[seapilot]

People can suggest RP to run 3rd party until they are blue in the face. Its really up to RP to decide what he wants to do. Right now he is focused on going to the convention unless something really disturbs him with the GOP establishment. He did mention in a recent interview when asked how long he was going to continue to run and he mentioned until the inauguration in January. Since he is not running as Representative like last time he has more options to continue. I could see him running with Gary Johnson as his VP on the libertarian ticket but only after the GOP convention. That way technically he is not running as president but still able to campaign continuing getting the message out.