Nevada results rolling in now!

Obama won't have the same grassroots army he had last time. He burned just about every one of their hopes and dreams.
 
Giving Obama the election is not an FU to the party. Because as you've stated, its the same Party. Obama goes in, win for the establishment. Romney or Grinch goes in, win for the establishment.

Giving the GOP and FU does NOTHING! It only makes your ego feel better because you are personally invested in Ron Paul. You've poured your heart and soul and money and time into Ron Paul, and the party and the media treats him like shit. Yes, it would feel great to say FU to the GOP. But if the powers that be are still in control, and the people are still in the dark... it does NOTHING.

Two things that actually do something is infiltrating the party, and changing people's minds. Both of these are much better acheived in the GOP as of now.
 
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Giuliani was there on 911 said:
Honestly I don't see any harm in Ron Paul running as a 3rd party. We have nothing to lose.
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There is plenty of harm. If Ron runs third party it will destroy Rands chance at the presidency in 2016. Not gonna happen. This was another educational campaign to expand on the work Ron did in 2008. By all accounts this campaign has been a big success so far. He has xpanded his support in each state and has had his message continue to rech more people. This is great for Rand.

People getting upset at Ron's latest performances are getting upset for no reason. Ron knew he would not win and so did the campaign. This is about Rand. People need to understand that.
 
lakerssuck92 said:
People who are clamoring for a 3rd party run aren't seeing the big picture. Our numbers growing - more and more are coming over to the side of liberty. Even if Paul doesn't win, he is laying the groundwork for future Liberty candidates to run in his stead (think Rand in 2016).
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No thanks, not interested in funding a Rand run.
 
lakerssuck92 said:
People who are clamoring for a 3rd party run aren't seeing the big picture. Our numbers growing - more and more are coming over to the side of liberty. Even if Paul doesn't win, he is laying the groundwork for future Liberty candidates to run in his stead (think Rand in 2016). Think of the fact that Ron wins young voters decisively. We are the future of the GOP and its just a matter of time before we take over. By running 3rd party, we won't achieve anything expect generate animosity towards us from the rank and file GOP voters. Whether justified or not, they will blame us if they lose to Obama in November...
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We want them to blame us. We want them to know they can't win without us. The last thing we want is them to think we'll vote for their stooge no matter what.
 
Dave39168 said:
Giving Obama the election is not an FU to the party. Because as you've stated, its the same Party. Obama goes in, win for the establishment. Romney or Grinch goes in, win for the establishment.

Giving the GOP and FU does NOTHING! It only makes your ego feel better because you are personally invested in Ron Paul. You've poured your heart and soul and money and time into Ron Paul, and the party and the media treats him like shit. Yes, it would feel great to say FU to the GOP. But if the powers that be are still in control, and the people are still in the dark... it does NOTHING.

Two things that actually do something is infiltrating the party, and changing people's minds. Both of these are much better acheived in the GOP as of now.
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I made a post earlier today talking about taking over the county GOP committees...its actually very easy and could be done across the nation if we all gave it some effort, then we could help ensure fair elections unlike the current bozos.
 
LibertyEagle said:
Not everyone who isn't on-board with Paul is a neocon. Very few are, in fact.

Taft may not matter to conservatives, because they don't really know what he stood for. Goldwater is a different story. Reagan, even more so. I think a very large number of conservatives want someone with the principles that Reagan espoused. They were the same as Goldwater's. Problem is, they aren't *hearing* those things from Dr. Paul, so they don't recognize that what they want so badly, is right in front of them.
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Goldwater would most likely not get the GOP nomination if he ran today. He absolutely despised the Religious Right, and that makes up a significant portion of the GOP.
 
lakerssuck92 said:
People who are clamoring for a 3rd party run aren't seeing the big picture. Our numbers growing - more and more are coming over to the side of liberty. Even if Paul doesn't win, he is laying the groundwork for future Liberty candidates to run in his stead (think Rand in 2016). Think of the fact that Ron wins young voters decisively. We are the future of the GOP and its just a matter of time before we take over. By running 3rd party, we won't achieve anything expect generate animosity towards us from the rank and file GOP voters. Whether justified or not, they will blame us if they lose to Obama in November...
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No people like you don't understand the enthusiasm is for Ron. Any other liberty candidate wouldn't get half the donations. Ron Paul's the one who inspired us, the one with the 30 year voting record, the one with the literature, the one who brought to light the economic problems of America. Remember, you're on RPF.com right now. The enthusiasm won't be matched by any other candidate.
 
lakerssuck92 said:
People who are clamoring for a 3rd party run aren't seeing the big picture. Our numbers growing - more and more are coming over to the side of liberty. Even if Paul doesn't win, he is laying the groundwork for future Liberty candidates to run in his stead (think Rand in 2016). Think of the fact that Ron wins young voters decisively. We are the future of the GOP and its just a matter of time before we take over. By running 3rd party, we won't achieve anything expect generate animosity towards us from the rank and file GOP voters. Whether justified or not, they will blame us if they lose to Obama in November...
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Agree! we will need the rank and file voters once we take over the party
 
JJ2 said:
Yeah, but not enough. Obama's gonna spend a billion dollars.

Would the media ignore Paul, or give him lots of attention so that Obama would win?
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Yeah we'll never match Obama's fundraising or his media support, not even the GOP nominee will. Look how they're already setting up Romney to get crushed with all the coverage they're giving his "gaffes". But we have to try. Our message is so much better than Obama's and our supporters much more passionate. We're a hell of a lot smarter too, that's got to count for something. Obama is just as much a wall street candidate as Mitt Romney is. He's pro war and anti-civil liberties too. We have a lot of room from the left to attack him and take away a lot of his supporters. We just have to get out there and work because we're not gonna have any help from the media.
 
Dave39168 said:
Agree! we will need the rank and file voters once we take over the party
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Nah. You have it backwards. The rank and file need to leave the party, and the folks who agree with us would join it. This happens every now and then. 1900s. 1950s/1960s. We don't need them because they won't vote for us anyways. Diminish their numbers is the way to go if you are so inclined to do the party thing. I'm more inclined to think success will come with relaxing ballot access laws and other such measures such as not putting party designations on the ballot. Then again, you need politicians to enact these things which requires getting elected, or at least influencing a significant number of folks.

Reduce the influence of the parties. Pox on Party.
 
cdw said:
Last I heard it was close to or at 40 percent. I know that it's a higher percentage than Dems and Repubicans. The percentage breakdown goes something like 40 indy, 30 dems and 30 republicans.
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This , but the people who self-identify as independent, DO NOT VOTE. The people who vote are the partisan hacks. We are proving this true every time all of our independent "supporters" don't actually show up on caucus night.
 
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