Nevada results rolling in now!

[SCOTUSman]

Third party = ignored
running GOP = less ignored

You think RP is ignored now??? It would be ten times worse as 3rd party. As long as he's in the primary, he will get some news coverage, he will be in the debates, he will be taken more seriously. Though its not fair that's the way it is, the two party system dominates so we have to work within it.

3rd party equals no debates, Even less attention from the media, and even less people who have heard or looked into Ron Paul. There have been libertarian and constitution minded presidential candidates as 3rd party candidates in the past. How many can you name??? 1 or 2? What about your friends and family? probably none?

Our best chance is the GOP. Its a painful process. Ron Paul is defending the old Republican platform of Robert Taft or Goldwater.

He gets no positive reaction at all besides from liberty lovers when he talks about Taft and Goldwater. These neocons don't care. The days of Taft and Goldwater only live in Ron Paul people. Just as much of Ron Paul support comes from Dems and Indies than actual members of the GOP.

There is no evidence to say we will get completely ignored as 3rd party, it is a different element. There has not been a serious third party candidate with national attention since Perot (who got a crapload of attention on the news back then). Less ignored is all right though (even if that would be the case)? The only time they pay attention to us is to spit on us, defraud us, disparage us, insult us, and the like. If that is the attention we get, I would rather have none at all.

Of course we won't get the attention of the two party candidates.....however we get the least attention of the 4 candidates in the GOP primaries right now. Not much would change media wise, except ROn would be in the general.

 

[Mark37snj]

link to that?

I stopped looking at the Iowa results about a day after. There was one precinct missing from the county that U of Iowa is in. But I don't know the details. Was it the U Iowa precinct?

http://www.westernjournalism.com/7-of-the-8-missing-iowa-precincts-voted-against-romney-in-2008/

http://www.dailypaul.com/207043/7-of-the-8-missing-iowa-precincts-voted-against-romney-in-2008

7 of the 8 Missing Iowa Precincts Voted Against Romney in 2008

 

[Dave39168]

That door is closing. Time to move on to an Indy run, after these next few caucus states.

I can see the headlines now:

Ron Paul threatening to hand the general election to Obama
Out of spite, Congressman Paul sabotages the GOP in 2012

Think about the average "so-called conservative" voter. All they care about is outting Obama. If we run third party then they will curse Ron Paul and never even give him a chance. Do you actually believe we'd have a chance as a third party???

 

[parocks]

http://www.westernjournalism.com/7-of-the-8-missing-iowa-precincts-voted-against-romney-in-2008/

http://www.dailypaul.com/207043/7-of-the-8-missing-iowa-precincts-voted-against-romney-in-2008

7 of the 8 Missing Iowa Precincts Voted Against Romney in 2008

Thanks. A quick look at those precincts does not reveal that those precincts were particularly pro Paul, or highly populated.

What is happening in Nevada, and has happened, in Nevada is much worse than Iowa.

 

[Join The Paul Side]

Third party get no attention not entirely just for being third party, but because they're nobodies. Everyone who is politically aware knows who Ron Paul is, while Barr, Badnarik, and hell even Browne were unknown. Ron Paul would get a lot of attention, especially on the spoiler question.

As long as Ron has the money to adverise effectively and garner enough support in the polls to qualify for the general election debates, who gives a rat's ass how much media attention he gets?

He isn't winning with the media attention he gets now, moron. There is nothing to lose and the world to gain.

 

[SCOTUSman]

What happens to people like Glen Bradley, Justin Amash, Tom Davis, Thomas Massie and all the other people we've encouraged to run for office as Ron Paul Republicans? If Ron runs as an independant and everyone gives up on the GOP, how are we going to get more liberty-minded candidates to run for Congress and other local offices? Can we build a third party that's strong enough to elect candidates nationwide at all levels of government so that we don't throw away the success we've had in the GOP just since 2008?

Edit - I know Tom Davis didn't necessarily win his seat as a Ron Paul supporter but I think by endorsing Ron he's thrown his lot in with us now

Those are good questions, and I don't exactly have answers to those, but seriously....we barely make a dimple in the party in terms of RP republicans serving. The favorability numbers of Paul say it all. There is no reason he should have those numbers. Even if you disagree with his overlying philosophy, he's the most principled and honorable man in the race, yet he ALWAYS has the worst favorabilities. We are playing the status quo by perpetuating the two party system, frankly. No party machine can control when you run as independent. Why should I stay a member of the GOP if this is what they give us in return.

The backlash Amash and others received for supporting Ron Paul was incredibly bad from their GOP constituents.

 

[driller80545]

I can see the headlines now:

Ron Paul threatening to hand the general election to Obama
Out of spite, Congressman Paul sabotages the GOP in 2012

Think about the average "so-called conservative" voter. All they care about is outting Obama. If we run third party then they will curse Ron Paul and never even give him a chance. Do you actually believe we'd have a chance as a third party???

Yes. No more voter fraud. No more anti media audited debates. No more GOP bullshit.

 

[Dave39168]

He gets no positive reaction at all besides from liberty lovers when he talks about Taft and Goldwater. These neocons don't care. The days of Taft and Goldwater only live in Ron Paul people. Just as much of Ron Paul support comes from Dems and Indies than actual members of the GOP.

There is no evidence to say we will get completely ignored as 3rd party, it is a different element. There has not been a serious third party candidate with national attention since Perot (who got a crapload of attention on the news back then). Less ignored is all right though (even if that would be the case)? The only time they pay attention to us is to spit on us, defraud us, disparage us, insult us, and the like. If that is the attention we get, I would rather have none at all.

Of course we won't get the attention of the two party candidates.....however we get the least attention of the 4 candidates in the GOP primaries right now. Not much would change media wise, except ROn would be in the general.

My goal is to win over people's minds to the idea that Ron Paul has been supporting for the last 30 years. So that there can be real change in this country. My goal is not to screw over the Republicans or the media or anybody else. Running third party does nothing toward that goal. It also would not get RP in the white house.

 

[Dave39168]

and I despise Republicans and the media as much as anyone else. I'm just saying look at the big picture. Look at what we're trying to accomplish

 

[RickyJ]

Do you actually believe we'd have a chance as a third party???

Do you actually believe that he shouldn't even try? That equals guaranteed failure. Trying all options to save this nation and failing is a lot better than not trying all options to save this nation and failing.

 

[LibertyEagle]

He gets no positive reaction at all besides from liberty lovers when he talks about Taft and Goldwater. These neocons don't care. The days of Taft and Goldwater only live in Ron Paul people. Just as much of Ron Paul support comes from Dems and Indies than actual members of the GOP.

Not everyone who isn't on-board with Paul is a neocon. Very few are, in fact.

Taft may not matter to conservatives, because they don't really know what he stood for. Goldwater is a different story. Reagan, even more so. I think a very large number of conservatives want someone with the principles that Reagan espoused. They were the same as Goldwater's. Problem is, they aren't *hearing* those things from Dr. Paul, so they don't recognize that what they want so badly, is right in front of them.

 

[kylejack]

I can see the headlines now:

Ron Paul threatening to hand the general election to Obama
Out of spite, Congressman Paul sabotages the GOP in 2012

Think about the average "so-called conservative" voter. All they care about is outting Obama. If we run third party then they will curse Ron Paul and never even give him a chance. Do you actually believe we'd have a chance as a third party???

Chances would be against us. Still, we can do a lot of damage on both sides. There are a lot of antiwar pro civil liberty people that are furious with Obama. We'd have a small chance of winning.

 

[J_White]

88.9% reporting (1601/1800)
Romney 15,033 (49.6%)
Gingrich 6463 (21.3%)
Paul 5611 (18.5%)
Santorum 3133 (10.3%)

Paul is 852 behind the Grinch

 

[kylejack]

My goal is to win over people's minds to the idea that Ron Paul has been supporting for the last 30 years. So that there can be real change in this country. My goal is not to screw over the Republicans or the media or anybody else. Running third party does nothing toward that goal. It also would not get RP in the white house.

If your goal is to win people over to ideas, why do you insist that Ron must win? A General Election campaign gives us a chance to spread the message, and to force the major parties into fighting for their own voters.

 

[Paulistinian]

Damn I really thought we would get 2nd... What's the delegate difference? Grinch will get 1 more than us?

 

[Join The Paul Side]

Do you actually believe that he shouldn't even try? That equals guaranteed failure. Trying all options to save this nation and failing is a lot better than not trying all options to save this nation and failing.

+rep dammit!!

 

[Dave39168]

As long as Ron has the money to adverise effectively and garner enough support in the polls to qualify for the general election debates, who gives a rat's ass how much media attention he gets?

He isn't winning with the media attention he gets now, moron. There is nothing to lose and the world to gain.

Very few people watch the debates. The media is in control of what 90% of people think. The media attention is actually very important. You want to see Ron Paul disappear from the publics eye??? have him run third party. We need the public. we need to change their beliefs and wake them up to what is going on. We're not going to win a general election with the current level of support especially as a third party.

 

[kylejack]

As long as Ron has the money to adverise effectively and garner enough support in the polls to qualify for the general election debates, who gives a rat's ass how much media attention he gets?

He isn't winning with the media attention he gets now, moron. There is nothing to lose and the world to gain.

Uhh, why are you calling me a moron??

 

[kylejack]

Very few people watch the debates. The media is in control of what 90% of people think. The media attention is actually very important. You want to see Ron Paul disappear from the publics eye??? have him run third party. We need the public. we need to change their beliefs and wake them up to what is going on. We're not going to win a general election with the current level of support especially as a third party.

You realize this is the last race, right? If Ron doesn't win here he's done.

 

[Dave39168]

If your goal is to win people over to ideas, why do you insist that Ron must win? A General Election campaign gives us a chance to spread the message, and to force the major parties into fighting for their own voters.

Ok well when someone gets 1144 GOP delegates I would support a third party run. But its probably irrelevant b/c i don't believe he will run 3rd party. He's a 12 term republican congressman. Republican. He has stated himself that you get ignored as 3rd party