NeoConservative GOP Will Never Nominate Ron Paul -- So, How to Win The Presidency?

[lonestarguy]

In the days and weeks after the SC debate and money-bomb, we should dissuade Ron Paul from seeking the presidential nomination from within a rigged GOP system that ranges against anyone outside the neoconservative orthodoxy, and convince him to run as an independent (not LP, CP, etc). Thus, bypassing the neocon/theocon/abortion-is-all-I-care-about primary voting pluralities and thru the efforts of liberty supporters, at the appropriate time, gather the necessary signatures in every state to place him on the ballot across the nation. If you want Paul to have a snowball's chance to achieve the presidency, this is the liberty movement's opportunity.

Here's a baseball analogy, why should Paul or Johnson, for that matter, compete in a vote cancelling GOP scrimmage by trying to hit a home-run in a fundamentally rigged GOP primary system dominated by over-whelming neoconservatist and theocratist primary voters, when a Paul 2012 independent ticket 1) by-passes the GOP gate-keepers, 2) places Paul ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT, 3) places Paul in a position to be included in the debates, ala Perot, and 4) actually loads up the basses in which a single or a walk (say, a major faux paux by the neocon gop nominee) can win the WH prize? Do we want to give the nation a choice in 2012, brought to them by-the-people, or will we continue on our present futile course that will give us what we have always gotten, a choice between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dumber!

Please, do not confuse Paul's supporters current excitement with Paul's current choice to run within the GOP as the correct strategy. It's clearly not. If you know, and you do, deep in your hearts, Paul will not be nominated by a neoconservative GOP, then let we-the-people, NOMINATE Paul, by gathering the signatures at the appointed time to place him on the national ballot.

Yes, the fundraising must continue, indeed! But Paul must be made to see the light before the first vote is cast in the first GOP primary, that we-the-people want to offer the nation a true choice this time, and the only real chance he will have is to run as an independent. Remember, we are not talking new party here, but a viable alternate route to the presidency for Paul as an independent. We know there is no chance for Paul via the warmongering empire builders of the GOP, but there is a chance because his supporters can get him on the general election ballot as an independent. Search thine heart and pray. The current strategy is simply fools gold.

 

[trey4sports]

In the days and weeks after the SC debate and money-bomb, we should dissuade Ron Paul from seeking the presidential nomination from within a rigged GOP system that ranges against anyone outside the neoconservative orthodoxy, and convince him to run as an independent (not LP, CP, etc). Thus, bypassing the neocon/theocon/abortion-is-all-I-care-about primary voting pluralities and thru the efforts of liberty supporters, at the appropriate time, gather the necessary signatures in every state to place him on the ballot across the nation. If you want Paul to have a snowball's chance to achieve the presidency, this is the liberty movement's opportunity.

Here's a baseball analogy, why should Paul or Johnson, for that matter, compete in a vote cancelling GOP scrimmage by trying to hit a home-run in a fundamentally rigged GOP primary system dominated by over-whelming neoconservatist and theocratist primary voters, when a Paul 2012 independent ticket 1) by-passes the GOP gate-keepers, 2) places Paul ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT, 3) places Paul in a position to be included in the debates, ala Perot, and 4) actually loads up the basses in which a single or a walk (say, a major faux paux by the neocon gop nominee) can win the WH prize? Do we want to give the nation a choice in 2012, brought to them by-the-people, or will we continue on our present futile course that will give us what we have always gotten, a choice between Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-dumber!

Please, do not confuse Paul's supporters current excitement with Paul's current choice to run within the GOP as the correct strategy. It's clearly not. If you know, and you do, deep in your hearts, Paul will not be nominated by a neoconservative GOP, then let we-the-people, NOMINATE Paul, by gathering the signatures at the appointed time to place him on the national ballot.

Yes, the fundraising must continue, indeed! But Paul must be made to see the light before the first vote is cast in the first GOP primary, that we-the-people want to offer the nation a true choice this time, and the only real chance he will have is to run as an independent. Remember, we are not talking new party here, but a viable alternate route to the presidency for Paul as an independent. We know there is no chance for Paul via the warmongering empire builders of the GOP, but there is a chance because his supporters can get him on the general election ballot as an independent. Search thine heart and pray. The current strategy is simply fools gold.

Been through this a 100 times, the GOP leadership hates Ron but it is the best bet at this point.

 

[lonestarguy]

Trey, is that all you got? You're willing to accept an assured defeat in the primaries for Paul? I'm not now or ever willing to see it end for Paul as it did in 2008. Doing the same thing gets us the same result and I'm not standing by for that. We have a real chance for Paul to be on the general election presidential ballot as an Independent, not LP or CP, but Independent. I say let the American people decide, not some rigged GOP neoconservative party primary system, aided by a plurality of theocon voters who place primacy in the abortion issue! If it's a campaign we want, then I say, let it run all-the-way to election day November 2012. Let's once and for all, give the voters a choice to begin the restoration of the republic by electing Ron Paul!

 

[Cleaner44]

Trey, is that all you got? You're willing to accept an assured defeat in the primaries for Paul? I'm not now or ever willing to see it end for Paul as it did in 2008. Doing the same thing gets us the same result and I'm not standing by for that. We have a real chance for Paul to be on the general election presidential ballot as an Independent, not LP or CP, but Independent. I say let the American people decide, not some rigged GOP neoconservative party primary system, aided by a plurality of theocon voters who place primacy in the abortion issue! If it's a campaign we want, then I say, let it run all-the-way to election day November 2012. Let's once and for all, give the voters a choice to begin the restoration of the republic by electing Ron Paul!

Who here do you think has the influence needed to get Ron Paul to decide to run as an independant?

Why would you think an independant would be allowed to participate in the debates like Perot did in 1992 when Michael Badnarik was not allowed to in 2004?

Why do think that Neocons still have the same power now that they did before the Ron Paul Revolution?

 

[klamath]

Never happen. If it was going to happen RP would have done it in 08. This time he is polling 8 times better, has elected his son throught the gop and has been elevated to the chairmen of his favorite comittee and has been credited more and more with starting the teaparty.

 

[RonZeplin]

Third Party should be plan A

In the days and weeks after the SC debate and money-bomb, we should dissuade Ron Paul from seeking the presidential nomination from within a rigged GOP system that ranges against anyone outside the neoconservative orthodoxy, and convince him to run as an independent (not LP, CP, etc).

thru the efforts of liberty supporters, at the appropriate time, gather the necessary signatures in every state to place him on the ballot across the nation. If you want Paul to have a snowball's chance to achieve the presidency, this is the liberty movement's opportunity.

a Paul 2012 independent ticket 1) by-passes the GOP gate-keepers, 2) places Paul ON THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT, 3) places Paul in a position to be included in the debates, ala Perot, and 4) actually loads up the basses in which a single or a walk (say, a major faux paux by the neocon gop nominee) can win the WH prize?

If you know, and you do, deep in your hearts, Paul will not be nominated by a neoconservative GOP, then let we-the-people, NOMINATE Paul, by gathering the signatures at the appointed time to place him on the national ballot.

Yes, the fundraising must continue, indeed! But Paul must be made to see the light before the first vote is cast in the first GOP primary, that we-the-people want to offer the nation a true choice this time, and the only real chance he will have is to run as an independent. Remember, we are not talking new party here, but a viable alternate route to the presidency for Paul as an independent.

We know there is no chance for Paul via the warmongering empire builders of the GOP, but there is a chance because his supporters can get him on the general election ballot as an independent.

Why not CP or LP in some states, or AIP in California?

The neocons in the GOP are still tied to Bush's apron strings. Forget the Republican party, they're doomed to lose. The neocons are done, stick a fork in em!

Whatever party it takes to get on the ballot. Who cares what they call themselves?

 

[specsaregood]

Perhaps Dr. Paul doesn't want his legacy to be: "the guy that assured an Obama 2nd term"?

Dr. Paul is probably smarter than you (and me).
I guarantee he knows more about politics than you (and me). So I'd wager that if thought the best avenue for promoting liberty in the US and a return to constitutional principles was an independent run; he would do so.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Perhaps Dr. Paul doesn't want his legacy to be: "the guy that assured an Obama 2nd term"?

Dr. Paul is probably smarter than you (and me).
I guarantee he knows more about politics than you (and me). So I'd wager that if thought the best avenue for promoting liberty in the US and a return to constitutional principles was an independent run; he would do so.

Well, since he's run and lost twice, I'm not so sure about that.

 

[specsaregood]

Well, since he's run and lost twice, I'm not so sure about that.

How many times have you won.

 

[Kotin]

If you think he would do half as good as an independent than you must not understand politics and its current atmosphere..


That would yield the least results of anything we could do..

Sorry if you think it's a grand idea but it's been hashed and rehashed a thousand times here and besides it will NEVER happen..


If he took your advice when running for congress none of us would have ever heard of Ron Paul and we would not be in the great position were in today..

Back to the drawing board for ya.

 

[lonestarguy]

Good try Kotin, I have to hand it to ya! Kotin, are you attached at the hip to the GOP? Do you even know what the Founders said about political parties? Didn't think so. And how would you know if he's NOT planning an eventual alternative route to the WH outside the GOP?

You state: "...the great position we're in today." Oh, really. Look around. 1) 14.5 (T)rillion in debt and on the precipice of economic ruin. 2) US involved in four wars in the middle east. 3) A two-party dictatorship, that will only permit nominees to the highest office who play the part as puppet to the military-industrial complex puppet masters. And your happy about that!

At 76 years old, this is Ron Paul's last presidential Hurrah! We all know he has the potential to be the greatest modern era president of our time. Clearly, even if he doubles what he achieved vote wise in the 2008 primaries, he still will not achieve the gop nom.

The only way the nation gets a chance to get his ideas aired and compared to the two-party establishment flunkies is by an alternative route to the presidential general election ballot. Ron Paul has built up alot of cache over the years and is increasingly well known across the political spectrum, outside the neoconservative gop. His ideas and views and strong Constitutional stance will illuminate the stark contrast between those ideas and the deadly ideas of the two-party death cult.

 

[lonestarguy]

Perhaps Dr. Paul doesn't want his legacy to be: "the guy that assured an Obama 2nd term"?

Dr. Paul is probably smarter than you (and me).
I guarantee he knows more about politics than you (and me). So I'd wager that if thought the best avenue for promoting liberty in the US and a return to constitutional principles was an independent run; he would do so.

Please, Specs, enlighten us to the difference, truly, between BHO and GWB or 'no new taxes GHWB.' GWB didn't explode the debt, involve us in needless wars, back the creation of Homeland Security and give us the 'Patriot' Act and Military Commissions Act? Or between BHO and a gop nominee such as Romneycare or Trump? And how does small govt and liberty get a hearing in such a match?

Also, explain how denigrating Gary Johnson is a good strategy amongst liberty supporters who both seek to throttle Leviathan?

 

[WilliamC]

Uh, didn't Ron Paul run as a Libertarian in 1988?

And that worked?

Alas it's the two-party system in the USA until such time as the system collapses.

Ron Paul, go republican or go home.