NEEDED FOR RON 2B NOMINATED ON FLOOR-SPREAD TRUTH RE: LA & OK BEFORE TAMPA spread VIDEO

[sailingaway]

Ron Paul is unsure he will be credited with having won FIVE states NEEDED to get NOMINATED at RNC and get an automatic 'nominee speech' with no concession by anyone -- when he really won at least SIX not counting the Colorado 'coalition' win with Santorum supporters who said they would vote for Ron.

I think he is underestimating the grass roots and I would really appreciate it if people here will help prove me right.

TO HELP: Please post something like the following in as many comment sections/tweets as you can WITH video (discussion of why, below):

Ron Paul SHOULD have enough delegates to nominate him into contention and guarantee him a nominee speech at convention. The only way Ron Paul would NOT have a MAJORITY of delegates in at least five states is if the credentials committee cheats and doesn’t seat his delegates. For example, the Paul delegates in Louisiana are being challenged even though he had a supermajority of delegates to state convention where they were chosen, and won the Louisiana caucuses in a landslide. The party types tried to pretend they had changed the rules so no chair could be removed and it only took a third of the vote to pass, etc, but those rules ‘created’ by ignoring the majority vote at the rules committee which voted in a different chair, were never ratified because the self declared chair at the state convention was removed and replaced before that could happen.

Removal of the state chair required he ignore at least 3 motions or properly brought points of order, which was easy, since they were trying to break the rules and didn’t dare recognize activity from the floor where Paul delegates would carry the vote. The first 2:15 of this video shows those motions being made and is boring, but after that it is removal of the chair and a synopsis of why it would take a cheating credentials committee to refuse to seat the Paul delegation at Tampa. With LA, even ignoring OK where Paul delegates also should be seated, Paul has a MAJORITY of 5 states: NV, IA, ME, MN and Louisiana. Synopsis video of the LA State GOP convention here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k884ZKUNwbo&feature=player_embedded#t=0s

VIDEO of BOTH LOUISIANA and OKLAHOMA needs to be circulated WIDELY. Last I remember, we know how to do that. Of these I think LOUISIANA is the most compelling because the physical attacks were on video, and clearly unprovoked, but the fact that there are TWO states (at least) that he is not being credited with needs to be known.


Your mission, if you will accept it, is to get into ten comment sections on articles/ youtubes/ message boards each week leading to the convention the video proof.

This next video is the most FULL synopsis of the Louisiana convention but probably needs to be introduced with a note that the first 2:15 minutes just show people being ignored in violation of Roberts Rules of order, justifying removal of the chair, and if they want to skip that they don't miss much. Otherwise people might not get through that part. I will find and post the other good Louisiana videos I know of here. If the Oklahoma people have a 'marketing' synopsis of their video we can spread in support of their challenge, we need to spread that too.

Otherwise we should just mention that Oklahoma our guys were punched for insisting the rules be followed and that we should have a physical count of the close voice vote which we never got, that they closed the wall dividers on our guys and walked out refusing against the rules to recognize objections and the convention continued in the parking lot, and our guys won it.

also a suggestion to tweet to get it in twitter streams and emails of gop heads -- use good judgment on language, we want results, not to paint a trail where we look bad:

]I'm in the middle of spreading this thread into some Ron Paul groups on Facebook, but how about including the link to Chairman Preibus and the co-chair's twitter/facebook accounts in the OP? Or are you concerned the R3evolution wouldn't show the proper restraint?

Seriously though I think it would have maximum effect if they saw public comments showing up on their facebooks and twitters. They know their base GOP voters will see them and might start to question their leadership if justice isn't served...

http://www.gop.com/index.php/issues/leadership/

I think we NEED public pressure to MAKE Romney's credentials committee know they will be the laughing stock if they don't seat at LEAST our Louisiana delegation.

Will anyone help with this?

It is the difference between whether Ron DOES or DOES NOT get nominated on the floor into contention at RNC with a speech NO ONE had the right to edit, on his own delegation power.[/B]


Other video with closer views of the assault's at the direction of the old party establishment by the off duty police hired as security exist where the second man grabbed warned he was handicapped (he had recently had hip replacement and landed on his hip when he was taken down by the security).

One of the closer angles of the Henry Herford assault ( the guy with the recent hip replacement)



It already has over 160,000 views but we need to get it out with the message that they are trying to say these duly elected Ron Paul delegates shouldn't be seated.

Here is a better video of Helwig, the rules chair being taken off by the hired off duty police you saw at about 2:30 of the first video, this is the guy whose fingers were broken and who returned walking with a cane. You can hear cracks and him yelling.



here is a local write up: http://www.thedeadpelican.com/2012/convention.htm

 

[Working Poor]

Will anyone help with this?

Hope so...

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I have shared (FB) and tweeted the LA video...let's get this out there.
Any links to the best OK videos?

edit: how else may I help?
I have to be at a committee caucus for the my state senate district this afternoon, but after I can do more.

 

[tsai3904]

At 3:47, the guys asks for a vote to have the chair removed. Can that motion be brought up by anyone and at anytime? Is that how we are justifying the second convention that went on later in the video?

 

[torchbearer]

At 3:47, the guys asks for a vote to have the chair removed. Can that motion be brought up by anyone and at anytime? Is that how we are justifying the second convention that went on later in the video?

we had one of the top parliamentarians in this state guiding each motion. from what i understand that a motion to remove the chair is in order when the chair refuses to acknowledge request from the floor. i think roberts rules has that at 3 request being ignored.
by that point, the chair had ignored 5 request.

 

[tsai3904]

we had one of the top parliamentarians in this state guiding each motion. from what i understand that a motion to remove the chair is in order when the chair refuses to acknowledge request from the floor. i think roberts rules has that at 3 request being ignored.
by that point, the chair had ignored 5 request.

If that is the case, it should be written into the video because most people watching this will have no idea why that second convention would be justified. Most people will just think they are being extremely rude.

 

[torchbearer]

If that is the case, it should be written into the video because most people watching this will have no idea why that second convention would be justified. Most people will just think they are being extremely rude.

should we also add that they guy acting as the original chair, appointed himself permanent chair with no vote from the body?
that is out of order.

 

[tsai3904]

should we also add that they guy acting as the original chair, appointed himself permanent chair with no vote from the body?
that is out of order.

Yes. Anything that will help make people who have no understanding of Roberts Rules to understand what's going on will help. I guarantee you if you show this to a random individual, they will have no clue what's going on. Add some background comments and it will make this video a lot more significant.

 

[Barrex]

Put a link to tweet in your OP and few phrases that people can copy paste..... Like it or not that is how you get people involved: do as much work as you can for them

Tweeted.

Since GOP and Mitt are contesting most of our delegates and convention that we won Ron is aware that he might end up short....Lets be realistic it is a possibility (and they will/are try-ing to sabotage him/us/you).



*I was excited that people will be use big letters and bright colors in this thread but the I got dissapointed after first post.

 

[sailingaway]

At 3:47, the guys asks for a vote to have the chair removed. Can that motion be brought up by anyone and at anytime? Is that how we are justifying the second convention that went on later in the video?

It can be brought up AFTER the chair has ignored three points of order or valid motions from the floor which is why the boring 2:15 is so important in the beginning, it shows he was ignoring points of information and valid objections. After that, yes, he can be removed. They wanted to say they passed rules in rules committee which were not going to allow any challenge and would have a quorum of only one third, but they had to have those ratified and the chair was removed so that didn't happen and old rules still applied. That is the point of this video. But other videos show the attacks much more colorfully.

 

[sailingaway]

If that is the case, it should be written into the video because most people watching this will have no idea why that second convention would be justified. Most people will just think they are being extremely rude.

It should be written then, or the lead in to why people can ignore the 2:15 can say it is procedurally important because when a chair ignores motions and valid points as happened there, it justifies removal under Roberts Rules, which happens right after that. But the credentials committee will know it. For pressure purposes, we need to make that clear though. I don't know how to edit video, can anyone put an introduction saying that after three ignored motions or points the chair can be removed, and the first 2:15 shows five being ignored?

 

[sailingaway]

should we also add that they guy acting as the original chair, appointed himself permanent chair with no vote from the body?
that is out of order.

also good.

 

[sailingaway]

Put a link to tweet in your OP and few phrases that people can copy paste..... Like it or not that is how you get people involved: do as much work as you can for them

Tweeted.

Since GOP and Mitt are contesting most of our delegates and convention that we won Ron is aware that he might end up short....Lets be realistic it is a possibility (and they will/are try-ing to sabotage him/us/you).



*I was excited that people will be use big letters and bright colors in this thread but the I got dissapointed after first post.

good idea, here's one, people, post yours and I'll retweet them, too: https://twitter.com/usernamenuse/status/215500667173879809

 

[Just Another Genius]

Media didn't want this LA fiasco to get legs because they knew the average Republican slob would side with the person who ended up with the broken hip, which is why[................deleted by mod....................] [events defused] this story of violence, election corruption, and stealing the delegates in this state so Ron Paul wouldn't get the state credit and these delegates. Your correct that this is a huge and powerful story which needs to be brought to everyone's attention and why any results coming from the convention should be considered invalid as well as CRIMINAL if Ron Paul doesn't receive credit for these delegates and this state as well as any other delegates and states which were stolen from him.

If the process is corrupt which elects our government officials, which we all know is the case, then that makes our government officials illegitimate. They are only in power due to the corruption of the process and are therefor not a legit government and therefor have no say over the American people and are subject to prosecution for all the crimes they've committed while in office. Those in media who took part in deceiving the public and supported and legitimized this corruption deserve to be held criminally responsible under RICO and terrorist laws. Instead of reporting election fraud the media mislead the public and blamed those who were victims of this corruption. If they the media want to deny it let them do so from the witness stand where a jury can decide their criminal fate. And the same goes for all these government officials who were put into power illegitimately and have committed criminal unconstitutional acts while in office.

So yes I agree, ELECTION FRAUD is the MAIN STORY which needs to get out to the public over the next two months before the convention, and videos like the one above are what will sway the masses if it's explained to them. It should be made clear to the masses that Ron Paul was the peoples choice for nomination and it was only through corruption of the election process and media that Romney is even being considered and therefor he should not even be recognized as a legitimate candidate for the Republican Party. And since the RNC officials have endorsed this corruption they too should be considered illegitimate and held criminally responsible as well. There's plenty of documented proof to convict all these criminals for their actions, and once it's shown to the masses I'm sure they'll agree as well, and give their blessings to putting a stop to this corruption and seeing that those responsible are removed from their positions.

How would I go about getting this information to the masses, I'll save that for a separate post, that is if I'm still allowed to post here since certain parties are trying to censor my right to give my opinion already.

 

[sailingaway]

Don't pick fights about Rand in this thread because I want this thread to stay in this forum and infighting I move elsewhere. People have strong opinions on both sides of that issue.

 

[romacox]

I have been posting and emailing this: http://dougwead.wordpress.com/

also adding this comment: The news media outright lied so as to keep us in the dark, and to manipulate the vote...to make sure one of two globalist/ progressive gets elected. They reported that Romney and Santorum won the Iowa Caucus, and Ron Paul won zero. Well it is now official that Ron Paul in fact won the Iowa Caucus by a land slide as I reported earlier.
See more in Doug Wead's article:

Will that suffice?

 

[Just Another Genius]

I didn't mention Rand in my post to discredit him, I only mentioned Rand because HIS STORY OF ENDORSING MITT ROMNEY did come out right after this LA incident, which took everyone's attention away from the election fraud in LA which just took place. I didn't say anything negative about Rand Paul, I only pointed out the coincidence that he was the one who upstaged this LA election fraud story, censoring that fact doesn't make it any less true. If you want to kiss Rand's behind, fine, but don't think you can change the historical facts of what took place around this time because of his actions. Censoring facts helps no one except those who don't want to accept them as reality. I see no facts backing up the comment under my name stating I've had a little shameless behavior in the past, at least none which were brought to my attention, but apparently one doesn't have a right to defend themselves on this site anymore than someone up against the NDAA and Obama, which I find pretty hypocritical, considering this is after all a Ron Paul site.

 

[sailingaway]

I have been posting and emailing this: http://dougwead.wordpress.com/

also adding this comment: The news media outright lied so as to keep us in the dark, and to manipulate the vote...to make sure one of two globalist/ progressive gets elected. They reported that Romney and Santorum won the Iowa Caucus, and Ron Paul won zero. Well it is now official that Ron Paul in fact won the Iowa Caucus by a land slide as I reported earlier.
See more in Doug Wead's article:

Will that suffice?

that is good but it doesn't go to this point. This point is that after we won the delegates in LA and OK they are threatening to not seat them because they don't want Ron to have a speech from the floor as a matter of right. Then the LA video is very persuasive, showing violence on their part, injuries to people who gave no threat, and that we had the overwhelming majority of people voting for our slate.

 

[sailingaway]

I didn't mention Rand in my post to discredit him, I only mentioned Rand because HIS STORY OF ENDORSING MITT ROMNEY did come out right after this LA incident, which took everyone's attention away from the election fraud in LA which just took place. I didn't say anything negative about Rand Paul, I only pointed out the coincidence that he was the one who upstaged this LA election fraud story, censoring that fact doesn't make it any less true. If you want to kiss Rand's behind, fine, but don't think you can change the historical facts of what took place around this time because of his actions. Censoring facts helps no one except those who don't want to accept them as reality. I see no facts backing up the comment under my name stating I've had a little shameless behavior in the past, at least none which was brought to my attention, but apparently one doesn't have a right to defend themselves on this site anymore than someone up against the NDAA and Obama, which I find pretty hypocritical, considering this is after all a Ron Paul site.

I have no idea what you are talking about. But you were implying there was calculation on Rand's part specifically aimed at derailing this story line. And you can talk about Rand in hot topics but keep it out of this thread. I am pissed at Rand and not inclined to kiss him anywhere at all at the moment, but insulting me only further derails this thread. Cut it out.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

good idea, here's one, people, post yours and I'll retweet them, too: https://twitter.com/usernamenuse/status/215500667173879809

Yours is better but here's mine anyway:
https://twitter.com/tonystuntz/status/215490046999019522