Need help!! i am having a discussion with a neocon

[Give me liberty]

need some good articles proving him that we are in iraq for oil.

but this what he said to me.



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on the oil part, I went and found this article. Why do liberals always say we're there for oil?

And about Yugoslavia, didn't we send some soldiers there for peace keeping in Kosovo back during the Clinton administration?

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And he showed me this article http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/28/ap/world/mainD8H969Q00.shtml



please need back up

 

[goat farmer]

Google


http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp

 

[UziSprayTF]

dude, cite Alan Greenspan, a self described republican. And your done.

 

[LibertyLu]

IMHO, using the 'oil argument' is doomed to fail. People tend to associate it with the "Michael Moore liberals."

If you seriously want them to question their belief system, explain to them how the deficit spending caused by the war is ruining our economy through inflation and eroding their purchasing power.
On the same note, tell them how the threat of war jacks up the price of oil. His precious war gouges his wallet.
Or you could take a constitutional approach, saying that the congress should have declared war, not the president or some UN resolution.
If your friend is a christian, ask them whether or not they subscribe to the Christian Theory of Just War. If they do, proceed to point out the obvious contradictions (we were not attacked first, aggressive war which WE started, etc...).

Just don't use the oil argument, hardcore neocons are put off by the words "oil" or "halliburton."

 

[acptulsa]

If this isn't the Bush Administration's "energy policy", then why are we in Iraq instead of North Korea? After all, Kim Jong Il actually has WMDs.

 

[Give me liberty]

Google


http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp

google saved my point

that neocon didnt want to respond my articles
i might take a screenshot of this discussion. And yes its happing on a gaming fourm


i called it a neocon shill forum

and btw isnt CBS pro bush?


http://www.petroglyphgames.com/foru...7&pid=142577&mode=threaded&start=#entry142577

oh why not here is it where it is happing

Guess the ron paul supporters

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

need some good articles proving him that we are in iraq for oil.

but this what he said to me.



quote

on the oil part, I went and found this article. Why do liberals always say we're there for oil?

And about Yugoslavia, didn't we send some soldiers there for peace keeping in Kosovo back during the Clinton administration?

end quote.

And he showed me this article http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/04/28/ap/world/mainD8H969Q00.shtml



please need back up

Scroll for Bush-Cheney quotes: http://www.sustainableabq.com/peakoil.htm

On his article:

• His article proves proves administration incompetence (proves result, not intent).
• His article proves that the Iraq war was a mistake based on false assumptions (pay for itself, etc.).
• Thank him providing evidence for a withdrawal from Iraq.
• Thank him for supporting Ron Paul's withdrawal policy as explained at http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/2008/01/iraq-welfare-queen-of-globalist-nanny.html

Most importantly, ask him why fake "conservatives" support the liberal Iraq war to enforce UN resolutions (read the Iraq war resolution), support liberal ideas of big-government central planning of the world, and support thousands of Americans dying overseas for liberal UN/Bill-Clintonian nation-building.

Let me know when he wants to be a real conservative like Ron Paul.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[nate895]

Speaking as a former neocon, you aren't going to convince him that we are in Iraq for oil, the only way to attack the Iraq War is to talk about about the billions it is costing us, the expansion of the government, and the infringement on our civil liberties that the "War on Terror" is causing. The average neocon will take time (it took me from May 2007 until October 2007, so 5 months, but that was with only Ron Paul) to change his mind, but it can be done stressing the right points. The average neocon does indeed favor liberty and small government, they have merely been duped by the big government types.

 

[hawks4ronpaul]

Speaking as a former neocon, you aren't going to convince him that we are in Iraq for oil, the only way to attack the Iraq War is to talk about about the billions it is costing us, the expansion of the government, and the infringement on our civil liberties that the "War on Terror" is causing. The average neocon will take time (it took me from May 2007 until October 2007, so 5 months, but that was with only Ron Paul) to change his mind, but it can be done stressing the right points. The average neocon does indeed favor liberty and small government, they have merely been duped by the big government types.

I agree that anything resembling "America" had a "bad" intention will lose before starting.

I agree to avoid the Moore oil argument but I do like it when neocons use oil to show Iraq's failure inadvertantly.

I would say that true neocons are hardcore statists but they have managed to dupe average paleocons into big government by abusing "freedom" and Rambo rhetoric.


http://hawks4ronpaul.blogspot.com/

 

[Broadlighter]

Not all Neocons are really Neocons. Many of these Neocons have simply bought into supporting the Iraq War because their party and their favorite media have told them to. They think the only alternative is to support liberal Democrats and I can't blame them for not wanting to go down that path.

The real Neocons are the ones who strongly believe in Empire and supporting Zionism. These are the big-government statists who think Machiavelli is cool and believe we should always be engaged in warfare. They believe that history is shaped by wars, so rather than trying to end wars, we should just become the biggest, baddest MFer on the world stage.

Ron Paul has spoken extensively about Neo-conservatism and I sincerely doubt your 'Neocon' friend is at all familiar with the subject to any realistic degree.

Give him the facts and let him do his own thinking.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Broadlighter wrote:

The real Neocons are the ones who strongly believe in Empire and supporting Zionism. These are the big-government statists who think Machiavelli is cool and believe we should always be engaged in warfare. They believe that history is shaped by wars, so rather than trying to end wars, we should just become the biggest, baddest MFer on the world stage.

And there you have it.

I've found that the "We can't afford it" works good, borrowing billions from China as the dollar falls apart. Which is why oil and gas is so expensive, that argument works very well I've found.

 

[humanic]

need some good articles proving him that we are in iraq for oil.

http://video.google.com/url?docid=8...ndex=0&usg=AL29H217W7NfhNdZ4RLpp5cSVEDfULLttw

Step 1: Make them watch that video.
Step 2: You win.

 

[Taras]

And about Yugoslavia, didn't we send some soldiers there for peace keeping in Kosovo back during the Clinton administration?

Try this, it ought to take him a while.

http://www.monthlyreview.org/1007herman-peterson1.htm

 

[harley95]

FACT: There are 14 or so PERMANENT U.S. Bases being built in Iraq.

Fact: The U.S. wants to pump Iraq oil to Israel, and then ship to U.S.

http://zionofascism.wordpress.com/2007/02/18/54/
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=332835
http://www.fcnl.org/iraq/bases.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/apr/20/israelandthepalestinians.oil

FACT: The Bush family is in the oil business.