NDAA Indefinite Detention Vote - Smith-Amash Amendment Fails 182-238 (roll call inside)

Agreed. Elections are not the only way to exert influence. We can pressure current members of Congress like what the internet companies did on SOPA. Unfortunately, we did not apply enough pressure on this issue. There were way more posts in the moneybomb thread than the Smith-Amash amendment thread. Ron Paul has made the indefinite detention issue one of his top priorities as he has mentioned it in every one of his college campus rallies and yet we got barely 20 people to say they called or emailed their Congressman.

I hear ya! I don't mind the moneybomb threads. At least that's doing something. It's the "wedge issue" threads that became such a priority that I'm kicking myself over. Yeah, I know I've participated in them. That's why I'm kicking myself. Still, you make a good point about the moneybombs and other stuff. Calling your congressman is so freaking easy. It's not like phone from home where you don't know who you're going to get. They have to take the call. We've got to make these efforts more of a priority.
 
Oh my goodness! My worthless congressman Jim Cooper actually did the right thing and voted yes for this! On the flipside teocon "darling" Michelle Blackburn (also of TN) voted no. Same for the other worthless teocon Dianne Black.
 
I think McCain is still suffering from PTSD.

Post Tramatic Snitch Disorder

McCain was given special perks while in custody, including a wet nurse. He was even slated to be released with a group of fellow snitches and collaborators until he was ordered by his CO not to go.

His pow experience gave him the perfect skill set to "serve" in congress.
 
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Oh my goodness! My worthless congressman Jim Cooper actually did the right thing and voted yes for this! On the flipside teocon "darling" Michelle Blackburn (also of TN) voted no. Same for the other worthless teocon Dianne Black.

Add Renee Ellmers (NC) to that list. Her voting record indicates to me she must get a lot of money from those that profit from war and "defense".
 
My rep. (Gosar) abstained on the Smith-Amash amendment, then voted YAY! on the NDAA, and with that he lost my vote. (Not that I'll vote the one-termer also-ran loser Kirkpatrick, because she would have voted YAY! also.) It's strange, since he voted Nay on the thing the first time around. I contacted his office the other day and thanked him for voting nay previously, and asked that he support the amendment and vote Nay again on the NDAA. I wonder why he changed his mind.

Flake voted Nay on the S-A amendment too. And he wants to be elected to the US Senate.
 
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Oh my goodness! My worthless congressman Jim Cooper actually did the right thing and voted yes for this! On the flipside teocon "darling" Michelle Blackburn (also of TN) voted no. Same for the other worthless teocon Dianne Black.

Bachmann is another "no" -- big surprise.

Republican party, I weep for thee... What a disgrace.
 
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Gosh I have alot of work still to do as all of our republicans in Indiana voted against this amendment
 
Oh my goodness! My worthless congressman Jim Cooper actually did the right thing and voted yes for this! On the flipside teocon "darling" Michelle Blackburn (also of TN) voted no. Same for the other worthless teocon Dianne Black.

ha, Cooper is my worthless representative as well. Mr. Drake, you should run for the 5th. I know I'd volunteer.
 
Post Tramatic Snitch Disorder

McCain was given special perks while in custody, including a wet nurse. He was even slated to be released with a group of fellow snitches and collaborators until he was ordered by his CO not to go.

His pow experience gave him the perfect skill set to "serve" in congress.
Nah, I'm pretty sure McCain is fucked up in the head because of Vietnam. Look at how paranoid he is! He thought the way to peace in Libya is MORE violence!

This is what war does to people! You get fucked up in the head!
 
My rep, Dennis Cardoza (CA-18) didn't vote. I'm so glad this guy is retiring. Just hoping there is a good candidate to replace him with.
 
Ah hell! I'm pissed! You know why I'm pissed? Because we had no organized effort to fight for this amendment! Just a couple of thread with only a handful of posts! When I saw this yesterday I didn't get a chance to do anything because I was tied up all day and figured I'd missed the boat. At least I made sure to donate to the campaign. Then I saw this today, saw I had one more chance and made the call. But I realize it's now too little two late. We had a freaking week of endless threads over Rand's "gayer" remark followed by another week of people parsing, crying and moaning over ever stinking email that came out of the campaign. "Did Paul really write this?" Of course he did! "Did the CIA get to Paul"? Of course they did NOT! And if they did it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference! The campaign just told us what we already knew. Actually capturing the nomination is beyond a long shot. Throwing good money after bad in statewide TV ads in remaining primaries is a dumb idea. It's best to keep trying to get as many delegates as possible and see what we can do with that. That should have been the end of it. But nooooooo. We've got folks running around wanting "refunds" and crap. And while all the bellyaching and naval-gazing and hating gays and hating people who hate gays and hating people who could care less about gays but don't want the federal government telling states what kind of marriage licenses to write was going on We let an opportunity to repeal one of the worst assaults on the bill of rights in our generation slip through our fingers!

You know, when Wikipedia didn't want SOPA to pass they made it so that you couldn't even sign onto their sight. Wikipedia was "blacked out" except for the "Please call congress" page. Google and Facebook took less drastic, but similar moves. If we are going to win this fight we've got to get serious! We have to focus on what's important. We have to find the fights we can possible win and fight them! Come on people! Think!

I nominate this for the best post of the month.
 
Ah hell! I'm pissed! You know why I'm pissed? Because we had no organized effort to fight for this amendment! Just a couple of thread with only a handful of posts! When I saw this yesterday I didn't get a chance to do anything because I was tied up all day and figured I'd missed the boat. At least I made sure to donate to the campaign. Then I saw this today, saw I had one more chance and made the call. But I realize it's now too little two late. We had a freaking week of endless threads over Rand's "gayer" remark followed by another week of people parsing, crying and moaning over ever stinking email that came out of the campaign. "Did Paul really write this?" Of course he did! "Did the CIA get to Paul"? Of course they did NOT! And if they did it wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference! The campaign just told us what we already knew. Actually capturing the nomination is beyond a long shot. Throwing good money after bad in statewide TV ads in remaining primaries is a dumb idea. It's best to keep trying to get as many delegates as possible and see what we can do with that. That should have been the end of it. But nooooooo. We've got folks running around wanting "refunds" and crap. And while all the bellyaching and naval-gazing and hating gays and hating people who hate gays and hating people who could care less about gays but don't want the federal government telling states what kind of marriage licenses to write was going on We let an opportunity to repeal one of the worst assaults on the bill of rights in our generation slip through our fingers!

You know, when Wikipedia didn't want SOPA to pass they made it so that you couldn't even sign onto their sight. Wikipedia was "blacked out" except for the "Please call congress" page. Google and Facebook took less drastic, but similar moves. If we are going to win this fight we've got to get serious! We have to focus on what's important. We have to find the fights we can possible win and fight them! Come on people! Think!

At some point, telling people to forgo their lives and put everything down to fight whatever it is the government is doing to us that week is counterproductive.

I think it's time we start focusing our anger at the government itself as an immoral institution, rather than continuously fighting (and losing) the processes the government carries out.
 
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