NDAA Indefinite Detention Vote - Smith-Amash Amendment Fails 182-238 (roll call inside)

Pre-written letter from the ACLU:

The Smith-Amash amendment repeals the mandatory military detention requirement and bans indefinite detention and military commissions from the United States.

I believe that the NDAA does not authorize military detention here at home, and that it would be illegal for the government to use it that way. But I also know that powerful members of Congress continue to argue that it is ok for the military to lock people up without charge or trial here at home. An explicit statutory ban is needed to ensure that no president or any other government official will ever try to use these practices in the United States itself.

I understand that there is a provision in the NDAA currently that provides that the right of habeas corpus is available in the United States . This does not satisfy my concerns. The question with the NDAA has never been whether habeas rights are lost. Instead, the question is whether and when any president can order the military to imprison a person without charge or trial, and the habeas provision won't stop any president from ordering the military lockup of civilians without charge or trial -- it will just score political points. By contrast, the Smith-Amash amendment solves a real problem.

https://ssl.capwiz.com/aclu/issues/alert/?alertid=61311051&type=CO?s_src=UNW120001C00&ms=web_ndaa_ac
 
Adam Smith (sponsor of amendment) is speaking out about the amendment right now on C-Span.
 
Mac Thornberry (R-TX-13) speaking against the Smith-Amash amendment. He is arguing that the amendment will give illegal aliens full Constitutional rights.
 
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Mac Thornberry (R-TX-13) speaking against the Smith-Amash amendment. He is arguing that the amendment will give any person full Constitutional rights.

due process rights? I mean I understand about funding attorneys, that was the place we historically thought taxpayers shouldn't be on the hook for foreigners, but a trial at all? Come on.

That's like saying if someone were accused of robbery and were a foreigner we could just throw them in jail without a trial.
 
There are less than 40 people on the House floor right now. Most are probably in their office reviewing amendments.

There is still time to call your Rep.
 
Amash on Facebook:

Here's an example of the extreme rhetoric the House Armed Services Committee is using to persuade Republicans to oppose the Smith-Amash Amendment, which protects AMERICANS' due process rights when the government ACCUSES someone of being "associated" with terrorists:

"The terrible day may come when we get hit again. On that day, do you want to be the one vote that ended the interrogation of terrorists? Do you want to be the one vote who gave the enemy more constitutional rights than our soldiers have?"
 
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apparently they just approved the first block of amendments including that military contractors cant be replaced by DOD employees without specific reasons..... what besides crony capitalism could possibly justify that being made law?

Also an amendment that evidence by drones couldn't be used in court unless obtained by court order. I'd be happier about that if it didn't seem to imply that it is ok to use the evidence to LEAD to evidence in court, throwing out the 'fruit of the poisonous tree' doctrine, if that is actually how it is written. But hopefully if so that part won't stand up in court.
 
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What exactly do you say when you call your rep up? I'm assuming you get a secretary of the office? Just curious so I'm a little prepared at least.
 
Yea, a secretary or an aide will pick up.

Just say that you want to urge your Congressman to support the Smith-Amash amendment to the 2013 NDAA bill. Say that you are concerned that American citizens can be indefinitely detained without charge or trial and only the Smith-Amash amendment will make it explicitly clear that this cannot happen in the US.

That's all you have to say. They will probably ask for your address to confirm that you live in the Congressman's district.
 
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What exactly do you say when you call your rep up? I'm assuming you get a secretary of the office? Just curious so I'm a little prepared at least.

Some have long chats. I just say that I'd like them to convey to Congressman ____________ that (my name), a constituent, is asking him to support the Smith Amash amendment to end the indefinite detention without due process provision of NDAA.
 
Sarcastic TV.....

Good Morning fellow Americans....
Today you are less free than yesterday.....

Just never mind and just downright ignore the dictatorial nazi communist police state laws happening.....
It’s all in keeping up for you're safety and getting you more organized..... So just let it pass by...... its all for you're own good

Far too complex for you're citizen simple head, cause everything is more complicated as nothing is as simple than anyone thinks......

The result of warming up to the government keeps the authorities at bay but if you chose to give the government the cold shoulders and start questioning, doubting, or hell forbids challenging the government, you will experience Indefinite Detentions Without Due Process..... Within low pressure you will be re-educated for you're own good in FEMA camps, but any high pressure you build up against the government gets you to direct to Gitmo, where their fun begins....

But overall, the extended forecast will still be less freedom with amassing Patriotic Act in our own private homes with a likely chance of spy monitoring along with a slight chance of Drones.

Stay Patriotic and follow you're government..... Enjoy you're day!!!!
 
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Justin Amash and Adam Smith just released an op-ed:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76460.html


There's still time to put pressure on your Congressman. One simple call stating that you want your Congressman to support the Smith-Amash amendment to the NDAA bill so that it is explicitly clear that no American citizen can be held indefinitely without a charge or trial will send a strong message if enough of us do it. Many people have already commented that aides have said they are receiving a lot of calls on this issue.
 
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Senators John McCain, Jon Kyl, Lindsey Graham and Kelly Ayotte just released a statement AGAINST the Smith-Amash amendment.

WTF? Why are they coming out against this when it's still in the house? Their job is to represent their state governments interest / laws...and that's their only job. They need to STFU!
 
WTF? Why are they coming out against this when it's still in the house? Their job is to represent their state governments interest / laws...and that's their only job. They need to STFU!

Well McCain is the author of the provision allowing the indefinite detentions so I can see why he's coming out strongly against the Smith-Amash amendment. Releasing a press release on this though shows that he is worried it might pass. We need to keep up the pressure because it may still be awhile before the amendment is voted on.
 
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