"National Divorce" - is it time to split up?

Well I'm not gonna be afraid of secession just because you think there's gonna be war.

If there's war then there's war. But what needs to be done, needs to be done.
Well the last civil war almost certainly could have caused us to be colonized by a foreign power and genocided.

That's what happened to the Europeans in World War 2.

People lined up and shot and then thrown into a ditch by the million.

Close to 60 million died in that continental war in that century.

I don't think our country's civil war would be any better in this century.

If the last civil war wasn't bloodless I don't think the next one will be.

The next time could even become nuclear. Pakistan and India would have gone nuclear If the USA had not intervened.
 
Well the last civil war almost certainly could have caused us to be colonized by a foreign power and genocided.

That's what happened to the Europeans in World War 2.

People lined up and shot and then thrown into a ditch by the million.

Close to 60 million died in that continental war in that century.

I don't think our country's civil war would be any better in this century.

If the last civil war wasn't bloodless I don't think the next one will be.

The next time could even become nuclear. Pakistan and India would have gone nuclear If the USA had not intervened.

If Texas wants to secede then that's the risk Texas is willing to take.

And if you want to start a war with Texas to prove yourself right about how it's going to start a war, then go for it, be my guest.
 
If Texas wants to secede then that's the risk Texas is willing to take.

And if you want to start a war with Texas to prove yourself right about how it's going to start a war, then go for it, be my guest.
No its not whether i am willing to start a war.

Its whether I am willing to protect Texas and their "warm water port" for free from the other 8 billion people on earth.

Its about whether or not other countries will get involved if there is a war.

Like we did in Europe and Asia during World War 1 and World War 2 and Korea and Israel and Afghanistan and Vietnam and India.

All of the sudden it's not the USA vs Texas anymore it's the USA vs Texas and Russia and China and whoever else in the world who hates us and wants to steal all of our land after we kill eachother.
 
No its not whether i am willing to start a war.

Its whether I am willing to protect Texas and their "warm water port" for free from the other 8 billion people on earth.

Its about whether or not other countries will get involved if there is a war.

Like we did in Europe and Asia during World War 1 and World War 2 and Korea and Israel and Afghanistan and Vietnam and India.

All of the sudden it's not the USA vs Texas anymore it's the USA vs Texas and Russia and China and whoever else in the world who hates us and wants to steal all of our land after we kill eachother.

Just baseless fear mongering.

There is literally zero possibility that mainland America will be occupied any time in the next 50 years.

Hawaii is vulnerable. Alaska is vulnerable. The mainland 48 are not vulnerable at all.

If Texas secedes, there is literally 0 chance of being invaded by China or Russia.

You know how I am so fucking positive?

Because even at the height of America's global dominance and supremacy, there is ZERO chance that we would have been able to sustain a ground war in China or Russia for more than like 2 weeks.

And somehow China or Russia would be able to do that to us? Fat fucking chance.

People who say that America will be invaded by foreign invaders are fucking retarded.
 
Just baseless fear mongering.

There is literally zero possibility that mainland America will be occupied any time in the next 50 years.

Hawaii is vulnerable. Alaska is vulnerable. The mainland 48 are not vulnerable at all.

If Texas secedes, there is literally 0 chance of being invaded by China or Russia.

You know how I am so fucking positive?

Because even at the height of America's global dominance and supremacy, there is ZERO chance that we would have been able to sustain a ground war in China or Russia for more than like 2 weeks.

And somehow China or Russia would be able to do that to us? Fat fucking chance.

People who say that America will be invaded by foreign invaders are fucking retarded.

Of course there is a chance.

Its not the 1700s anymore all they would have to do is take out a weak target like Panama and set up an economic blockade.

They wouldnt even have to fire a shot to at the very least cripple our economy and therefore our military.

Once we can't pay people to fight in the military or pay for the military do you think the people will fight a war for free?

Look at the havoc even a small country like Yemen was able to cause with their blockade.

If a large country were to do it with modern submarines and rockets and our global supply chains it would be a disaster.
 
Of course there is a chance.

Its not the 1700s anymore all they would have to do is take out a weak target like Panama and set up an economic blockade.

They wouldnt even have to fire a shot to at the very least cripple our economy and therefore our military.

Once we can't pay people to fight in the military or pay for the military do you think the people will fight a war for free?

Look at the havoc even a small country like Yemen was able to cause with their blockade.

If a large country were to do it with modern submarines and rockets and our global supply chains it would be a disaster.

If a country successfully blockaded this country off of all trade, ...

it would be the best thing that could happen to this country.

(Not that such a thing is possible, let's be real, they can't blockade us for the same reason they can't invade us, it's just not practical)
 
If a country successfully blockaded this country off of all trade, ...

it would be the best thing that could happen to this country.

(Not that such a thing is possible, let's be real, they can't blockade us for the same reason they can't invade us, it's just not practical)
In the 1960s the Soviet Union parked diesel submarines off the coast of the USA armed with nuclear weapons. Geography hasn't changed.

There would definitely be 1 or 2 or maybe even 3 super power empires that would fill the power vacuum in the new world order if Texas left the union.

All with military powers on par with the Soviet Union in the 1970s atleast. One of them might even be as powerful as the USA was in the 90s.

They would tear through the US navy in the span of 6-12 months.

They would destroy us with numbers. It would be like how we defeated the Japanese Navy.

"I can run wild for six months... after that, I have no expectation of success"

-Isoroku Yamamoto
 
In the 1960s the Soviet Union parked diesel submarines off the coast of the USA armed with nuclear weapons. Geography hasn't changed.

There would definitely be 1 or 2 or maybe even 3 super power empires that would fill the power vacuum in the new world order if Texas left the union.

All with military powers on par with the Soviet Union in the 1970s atleast. One of them might even be as powerful as the USA was in the 90s.

They would tear through the US navy in the span of 6-12 months.

They would destroy us with numbers. It would be like how we defeated the Japanese Navy.

"I can run wild for six months... after that, I have no expectation of success"

-Isoroku Yamamoto

The bottom line is it's not up to you to determine whether or not Texas secede. It's up to Texas, and Texans. If you've got a problem with it, feel free to try to invade us. That'll really help the situation.
 
The bottom line is it's not up to you to determine whether or not Texas secede. It's up to Texas, and Texans. If you've got a problem with it, feel free to try to invade us. That'll really help the situation.
I would love to invade Texas.

California has been invading Texas though and I dont want to live with Californians.
 
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Thats always what an invasion leads to. So California gets invaded and now they try to overthrow the government.

That's what happens when people don't have a historical connection with their country.
 
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In principle, sure. In positive reality things are not so simple.

Consider the bigger strategic political and military reality. California is run by lunatics, many of them almost certainly CCP puppets. Cali secedes and China moves in, establishing a shitload of military bases into which ballistic missiles are homed. What does anyone think is going to happen. In ten minutes DC is leveled by sub-launched cruisers right off the coast, possibly even from within US waters. They can talk all they want of devolution plans, we are going to be fucked as the chinks launch a massive ICBM attack against every military base in America, hitting relevant territories like Guam, Diego Garcia, and so on in a Tet-style offensive that can now be timed to within seconds, thanks to human tech.

In, say, two years' time they could EASILY move ten to thirty million chinks across the sea, trained for battle, and release those hordes in the same attack. We would be at dire risk, our cities and what remains of our industries reduced to ash in a moment. All those bastards need is a foothold, and CA secession I guaRONtee would provide it. Those pigs would do the honeypot deal for awhile, gather their leverage so that Cali opens its doors with no fedgov to countervail them. The local media would handle public perception, as would the universities and even the public schools so the Californians would be ready to suck China's little asian dick.

That cannot be allowed to happen. The political reality destroys the ideal sufficiently to disallow such a move. This is the great downside of civilization; of super organization. Peaceable people cannot survive in the face of a superorganized society that has conquest on its mind. Human history is rotten with examples of this. Furthermore, greater superorganization trumps the lesser example, all else equal.

This is why we cannot escape "government" as a practical evil. If we remove ourselves from that ghastly, nasty institution, we will eventually get it right back as conquerors steam rolled us into oblivion, namely the filthy human cockroaches we call "Chinese" and "Muslim".

To walk away as fifty states and remain intact and nominally safe from the alien predators, Americans would have to adopt a Spartan culture. That's not going to happen any time in the coming thousand years, so fantasize all you want; secession would be the clusterfuck's clusterfuck. We would be invaded and knocked down one at a time.

I am quite well convinced that the average Johnny has no idea just how tenuous is our position, both politically, economically, and consequently, militarily. Dumbasses think the US armed forces would save the day. They are wrong. If the chinks hit us tet-style, firstly it would not matter whether we struck them back. A carrier battle group needs fuel. In a week or two the jets would have nothing with which to fly, and the escort vessels would need refueling. Having expended their arsenals, replenishment would be required, but there would be none because we got nuked by the chinks. America would be at its end because the idiots of CA will have allowed China a strong foothold in north America and we'd have none because Taiwan and Japan would also be nuked into ash, not to mention all our bases in the region. Remember that this would all happen within seconds of each other, and make no mistake: the CCP has no qualms about sacrificing a couple hundred millions of their own because the Chinese place little value on life. They are of the slave mentality, and the soulless simulacra in charge have zero empathy for those who are to be consumed in the conflagrations to come.

Finally I will say this: if the chinks were to gain such a foothold in Cali, I guaRONtee they would attack. There is no possible way they would pass up such an opportunity for world hegemony. The opportunity to own the entire pacific plus all of north and south America would be a prize too tempting to pass up.

So yeah, go ahead and let the assholes in CA secede and let us see whether I'm full of shit. And even if I am, is this something we want to risk?
 
If you tap "enter" one time, you don't libel OB by making it look like he posted your wall of fearmongering.
 
@osan that's not an argument against secession.

That's an argument for putting restrictions on what we allow CA to do after they secede.

There is no reality where the rest of the US would let China take over CA and aim nukes at us, regardless of whether or not CA is in the US or not.

Secession isn't a free pass to begin building up existential threats to your neighbors.

The neighbors (e.g., us) have a right to shut that shit down.
 
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