Nation mag Essay Calls for ‘Blue-State Secession’

[Anti Federalist]

threat of secession

Threat?

I'm baffled by the ambivalence toward this.

Don't you guys want these people out of your life?

 

[acptulsa]

Threat?

I'm baffled by the ambivalence toward this.

Don't you guys want these people out of your life?

Read it again. Think of this guy as a spoiled brat. That shouldn't be difficult, that's what he is. He really thinks he's threatening us. A response of, see ya don't let the door hit you in the ass, is something he actually doesn't expect.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Read it again. Think of this guy as a spoiled brat. That shouldn't be difficult, that's what he is. He really thinks he's threatening us. A response of, see ya don't let the door hit you in the ass, is something he actually doesn't expect.

Oh, yeah, I agree, he doesn't expect it at all.

Which is why I'm happy to give it to him.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

My impression is that the author of the article doesn't want secession so much as he wants to use the threat of secession as a club to force all the other things he endorsed in the article (such as abolishing the electoral college). He seems to think that no one would dare to seriously call his bluff if his proposal were to actually be adopted and pushed forward. If so, he might end up being surprised at how many people fail to quake in terror and fall to their knees begging him and the blue states to please, please don't go ...

Or maybe he really does want blue-state secession. I'm fine with that, too. And even if it doesn't have any success, at least it will increase the social currency of the idea of secession, and it will become that much more "normalized" (until one day ...).

You are correct, red states will help them pack their bags and should hand them the congressional and senate votes to make this dream come true.



Newman then seeks to convey the gravity of the matter.

“We face a mounting constitutional crisis—one that, in turn, amplifies the crises of voter suppression, racial and economic inequality, and climate change—with a majority will that is repeatedly thwarted by minority rule in every aspect of policy.

“Ultimately, building a serious blue-state threat to secede is the only way to end this crisis and create a nation based on equal representation for all,” he concludes.

The essay comes as some Democrats continue to promote moves against unifying the nation, though the notion of a blue-state secession is not a new one.

In August, Democrats contemplated secession and potential civil war as they gamed out possible scenarios for a closely contested election.

After the 2016 election, there was a surge in interest in secession in deep-blue California — so much so that the president pro tem of the state senate used his speech at the opening of the new legislature to discourage the idea.

 

[DamianTV]

I really want to say "great. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", but long term, when California takes control of all military bases and weapons stationed in the new Nation State, it wont be long before you literally start seeing wars break out between former states.

 

[parocks]

I really want to say "great. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", but long term, when California takes control of all military bases and weapons stationed in the new Nation State, it wont be long before you literally start seeing wars break out between former states.

What's wrong with that? Not the ideal outcome but not the worst. This country, getting worse, seems to be the worst outcome.

If, say, California was going to leave, and other states left, would they all be one country, or many separate countries, or what?

What seems best to me would be if 1 state broke up into 2 states. It might not be so easy, but it's happened before. Maine used to be part of Massachusetts.

New York City, Long Island and Westchester County would be one state, the rest of New York would be another.

Philadelphia plus a handful of other Philly suburbs would be one state, the rest of Pennsylvania would be another.

Chicago, or maybe Cook County would be one state, the rest of Illinois would be another.

Those are really easy ones, the major population center is the corner.

Miami area and south, and the rest of Florida.

If Georgia can have Atlanta taken out, if Minnesota can have Minneapolis out. Detroit can be taken out of Michigan. Seattle out of Washington, Portland out of Oregon. Milwaukee out of Wisconsin. St Louis out of Missouri. Create 10-20 new states or so. And the names are easy, the name of the state is the name of the city that's carved out, and you can add the word city to the city. Philadelphia City, Philadelphia.

I also like the proposals where counties join existing states, and I like thinking about how that might work.

I also like the creative proposals for new states. It seems like one big state from Boston to Northern Virginia could work, and Upstate New York and the rest of Pennsylvania get left out of that. It seems like the new state of Boswash could be its own country.

I don't see why, if the east coast has an Eastern Seaboard of 15 states, why is it that there are only 3 states on the west coast? Seems like there should be more than just 3 west coast states if there are 15 east coast states. Keep Washington, Oregon, California, carve out 4 new states, Seattle City, Seattle, Portland City, Portland, San Francisco City, San Francisco, Los Angeles City, Los Angeles. GOP will have a good chance of winning Washington , Oregon, California, and there's no way the GOP wins Seattle, Portland, San Francisco or Los Angeles.

Assuming fair elections, which we know is a lie, but assuming that, the Dems might be happy with 8 new Democrat senators, on top of the senators they have in CA OR WA. In time, GOP wins senate in CA OR WA. GOP has 6 to Dem 8 - GOP -2, compared to now, which is GOP -6.

But you can sell it to the Democrats by not mentioning that the Dems will lose their Senators in CA OR WA. Just, look, 8 more senators. They're not going to think - it's actually 8 - 6 or 2 instead of just +6.

Either way, it all seems good to me.

 

[tod evans]

I really want to say "great. Dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out", but long term, when California takes control of all military bases and weapons stationed in the new Nation State, it wont be long before you literally start seeing wars break out between former states.

To what end?

Farms don't run themselves and somehow I can't see city-folk farming in a hostile environment.

Cattle and hogs require husbandry that's learned over generations on the land...

Country folk aren't cogs in their machine.

Logging and forest management.........Let's see what happens after the greenies try and run things..

Logistics between metro-centers are handled by people who seldom live in the metro's......Moving goods would be another hurdle.

Looking at the issue from a purely practical perspective waging wars would be the most insane thing the blue states/cities could do.

Then again it's their only option........Smirk

 

[Okie RP fan]

Yeah, me too.

It also works for China. None of the factions will be as powerful.

China ends up being the real [foreign] winner in all secession scenarios, it's really inevitable.
I've pondered about it all a bit and China would likely no doubt want a split up U.S. where they can come in a carve whatever they wanted with their "monetary might."


Regardless, barring some great unifying entity, this country is so miserable towards one another that we're not even trying to hide it anymore. It really has become two realities in a post-persuasion America, as Jeff Deist puts it. And the best thing to do is secede from one another.

And did anyone notice how this prick in the article still had to make it about us vs. them and insinuate that blue states have more of a right to secede? It's so hard to just say "the case is equal and valid for all states, we should exercise it as able."

Last edit: I'd still like to see something where the cities become their own city-states while ceding the rest of the state(s) to the respective rural/agrarian/suburban folks. In short, we could have 100 states, with each of the top 50 cities being their city-states.