Nathan Deal just murdered Troy Davis
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Nate-ForLiberty
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racially motivated execution. no doubt.
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I hope this issue comes up tomorrow and Ron Paul gets to talk about it, even if it's in the form of a gotcha question.
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Guys, I left one thread on this in here, but it doesn't go in this section. I'm moving it to general politics.
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Well if he didnt do it then hes prob in a better place now. But if he did do it, then he will prob have to answer to a higher authority.
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I agree with the sentiment that the state killed a man when there was obvious doubt as to his guilt, but I think it is important to raise this distinction: I was under the impression that in Georgia the Governor has absolutely no authority to stay an execution, so laying the blame on the governor rather than the entire Georgia death penalty system might be technically unfair.
Sad stuff, though, I feel you.
Sad stuff, though, I feel you.
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Technically Nathan Deal didn't do it. In Georgia, the governor has no power to grant clemency... everything is done by some sort of parole board court. It's a shame this happened.
...oops, and as I was typing this, I noticed that Barry has said the exact same thing as I am now saying. Well, I'll back him up then.
...oops, and as I was typing this, I noticed that Barry has said the exact same thing as I am now saying. Well, I'll back him up then.
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LOL. Because people always make the right decisions, especially when they are overwhelmingly made up of the unemployed and other people too dumb to get out of jury duty.
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This was a state prosecution.The president can only pardon for federal crimes.
yea I bet that jury in 1989 Georgia was really smart and rational
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Umm, I don't support the death penalty, but the jury had 7 blacks on it, so I hardly think this was because of his race.
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Trust doesn't play a part in it. His life is his own to take, no one else should take it unless they are exercising self defense. Same with that piece of trash Brewer who just went under.
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I agree that in this case race wasn't the specific reason, but in the case of Jimmy Dennis, who I like to think of as hopefully the next Troy Davis only with a better outcome, it looks like, pending further review of the facts of the case, that he was convicted exclusively based on strangers looking at a police lineup. He had an alibi but shoddy lawyering kept that from being included as evidence, and the only one witness who claimed to see he had a gun actually was a friend of his who had been caught with drugs and was offered a chance to get out of it for saying he saw the gun. He later recanted under oath.
http://www.jimmydennis.com/
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Society just defended itself. I'll agree with Ron that it is racist, and that the ultimate sanction should not occur in any case where there is doubt of guilt (which obviously it does.) That being said, I do believe there are cases where guilt is conclusive, and death by lethal injection, firing squad or whatever is merciful compared to what is deserved.
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Perry boasts about how many executions he oversaw. I don't care if you killed Hitler. It's a human life you took, and though the justification is up for debate, it's something that you shouldn't be proud of. Further, the number of people Texas executed is a significant statistical outlier. Ben Franklin said its better to let 100 guilty people go than to kill 1 innocent person. Don't you think just ONE of those executed could've been innocent? It's not like every court actually takes reasonable doubt seriously.
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I will never understand how murdering only murderers somehow makes it not still murder.
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Nathan Deal couldn't do anything about it. Also is there a discussion of the evidence in this case? I caught some of the news today but I don't know much about it. From what I do know it seems like they executed a man when there were very serious doubts about his guilt. I only support the death penalty when it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that the person is guilty.
A couple of thoughts on this.
First, Yeah, as others said, Nathan Deal couldn't have done a thing. The legislature in GA has taken that power from the governor and handed it to a parole / pardons board.
Second, Tory Davis didn't shoot one man that night, he shot two. The evidence of the actual rounds were inconclusive, but the shell casings at both scenes matched. The first guy was shot in the face. The second, Mark MacPhail, was shot in the head and heart as Troy stood over him.
Third, there were 9 eyewitnesses, and yes, 7 of them did recant. But, they only recently recanted, they refused to be cross examined by any prosecutor, and they only seemed to recant when death penalty abolitionists contacted them and put pressure on them to "do the right thing."
All that aside, the state should not have the right to kill someone, even if they don't like him. Troy Davis was of no further risk in prison. For those that say he's in a better place, well, that may be true, but it may also be false. We don't know what lies after death, nobody has ever come back from an execution.
First, Yeah, as others said, Nathan Deal couldn't have done a thing. The legislature in GA has taken that power from the governor and handed it to a parole / pardons board.
Second, Tory Davis didn't shoot one man that night, he shot two. The evidence of the actual rounds were inconclusive, but the shell casings at both scenes matched. The first guy was shot in the face. The second, Mark MacPhail, was shot in the head and heart as Troy stood over him.
Third, there were 9 eyewitnesses, and yes, 7 of them did recant. But, they only recently recanted, they refused to be cross examined by any prosecutor, and they only seemed to recant when death penalty abolitionists contacted them and put pressure on them to "do the right thing."
All that aside, the state should not have the right to kill someone, even if they don't like him. Troy Davis was of no further risk in prison. For those that say he's in a better place, well, that may be true, but it may also be false. We don't know what lies after death, nobody has ever come back from an execution.
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